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  • Ryumon
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    • Apr 2007
    • 1827

    Nonthinking

    From Zen questions, Zazen, Dogen, and the spirit of Creative Inquiry by Taigen Dan Leighton

    THE BACKGROUND BEYOND THINKING

    An old story from the Zen tradition about mind in zazen is perhaps little simpler than the Yogacara system. The Zen master Yaoshan Weiyan (745-828; Jpn.: Yakusan Igen) was sitting very upright and still and a student asked him, "What are you thinking of, sitting there so steadfastly?" Yaoshan said, "I am thinking of not thinking," or another way of translating it is, "I am thinking of that which does not think."

    This student was very good, and so we remember this dialogue. He said, "How do you do that? How do you think of not thinking?" Or maybe, "How is thinking of that which does not think?" Yaoshan responded using a different negative. He said, "Beyond thinking." It has also been translated as "Nonthinking."

    This concerns foreground and background. We are used to thinking about the thoughts that are floating around in our sixth consciousness. We have been trained as human beings to have an ego; this is not only a problem in our culture, and it is not necessarily a bad thing. We need to be able to get through the day, pay the rent, take care of our lives. Buddhist practice is not about getting rid of the ego, it is about not getting caught by it and instead seeing this background that Yaoshan refers to as "beyond thinking."

    In terms of foreground and background, we do not exactly shift from the foreground to the background; it is more a kind of access between them, a link created. The background maybe can only be expressed in the foreground, but we begin to find more access to the background, or perhaps it has more access to us. Foreground and background have many layers, but a connection with this deeper awareness becomes available. When we intellectualize about the background and make up stories about it, that only becomes more of the foreground. But this background can emerge in each fresh breath.

    Zazen offers this actual experience of a deeper awareness. It cannot exactly be called thinking, but it is a kind of awareness, a kind of consciousness. We could call it "beyond thinking," thinking that goes beyond our usual thinking, thinking of the beyond, or thinking that is beyond any thinking that does not go beyond. It is a kind of thinking, but not thinking that cuts things up into little pieces. This awareness puts things together into wholeness and allows a deeper wholeness to emerge.”

    Gassho,
    Ryūmon (Kirk)
    Sat
    I know nothing.
  • Tairin
    Member
    • Feb 2016
    • 3035

    #2
    Thank you Ryūmon

    When we intellectualize about the background and make up stories about it, that only becomes more of the foreground. But this background can emerge in each fresh breath.
    I think (no pun intended) that this is the reason why practice and actually sitting Zazen for one’s self is important. It is during Zazen that I really see for myself all the activity and thoughts that keep my brain whirring. It is also during Zazen that I can practice the action of letting those thoughts pass without latching on to them.


    Tairin
    Sat today and lah
    泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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    • Spiritdove63

      #3
      I was contemplating the term "nothing' no place you can find a true nothing . If it is then there is still the observer of the nothing. So perhaps in the not thinking your still doing because its an action of doing. Its the thought that comes to my mind of the clock stopping. Time stopping. Only point in time that time did not exist is right before the big expansion. "Big bang some call it' Time is not flowing but I think our minds are. Time is the illusion because there is only now. I guess "I could be wrong' that no such thing as nothing and no such thing as a person not thinking. Brain can not function that way" or again I can be wrong. I like the awareness of it. I have been in that moment once where leaves stopped in mid air. Could have been an illusion but I felt so part of all there is. My brain is a funny thing. What I get out of this is the idea of analyzing everything to label it. Because we seek meaning and labels. Brain processing information from eyes, ear, touch, smell. all coming to a brain as info. What if that info is wrong? Maybe it doesn't matter. My mom use to say to me "You think to much" She passed in 2014 and I keep that phrase when my brain chatters a lot.

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      • Rich
        Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 2619

        #4
        When i go outside in nature beyond thinking just appears

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        Sat/lah


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        Rich
        MUHYO
        無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

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        • Inshin
          Member
          • Jul 2020
          • 557

          #5
          Investigate even further. The exact moment when a thought appears and dissolves. Where do they come from and where do they dissappear to? Is there really a background?

          Gassho
          Sat

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          • Bokugan
            Member
            • Dec 2019
            • 429

            #6
            Originally posted by Tairin
            Thank you Ryūmon
            I think (no pun intended) that this is the reason why practice and actually sitting Zazen for one’s self is important. It is during Zazen that I really see for myself all the activity and thoughts that keep my brain whirring. It is also during Zazen that I can practice the action of letting those thoughts pass without latching on to them.


            Tairin
            Sat today and lah
            I have a very similar take on it. Practice helps me understand that the stray thoughts that take me away ("thinking") are just secretions of the brain (I cannot remember where I am pulling that from, but not my words). With that understanding, it is not too unlike when my nose itches during zazen and I sit with it, letting it be, and the sensation passes.

            Awareness, even of the secretions of the mind, but in a way that does not engage the "things" and just lets it all "be".

            Gassho,
            Bokugan
            SatTodat LaH
            墨眼 | Bokugan | Sumi Ink Eye
            Ryan-S | zazenlibrarian.com

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