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    SIT-A-LONG with Jundo: WHAT's NEXT!?!

    Almost each week someone asks me, "What comes next in my practice? How do I deepen it? What should I do now? What book should I read with all the secrets? I feel like something is still missing and that I must do more."

    But how can I respond to such a question when the very heart of this Path is learning to live and be this life radically FREE OF THE NEED FOR 'WHAT'S NEXT', LIBERATED OF 'SOMETHING MORE THAT NEED BE DONE', FULFILLED OF 'ANYTHING MISSING'!

    Oh, don't misunderstand. I typically respond that, together with daily sitting, there are some 'this and thats' that we can do to deepen our practice ... such as another 'Zen Book' to read or 'Zen Talk' to hear, studying a bit more of Buddhist and Zen teachings, attending more retreats, adding more practices such as Samu, Bowing, Chanting, Sewing, studying the Precepts or undertaking a Jukai, learning to bring 'Zazen' off the Zafu and to all aspects of life ... ALL ENRICHING WAYS TO DEEPEN THIS PRACTICE!

    And, though there is "nothing ever missing or in need of adding and doing" ... that does not mean that there are not things to lose, gain or do! Learning to be free of the "need for change" is a REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE ... a change helped along by things we need to do and change, such as learning to be less driven by GREED, ANGER and IGNORANCE! In this crazy-sane practice, we master how to live 'without need for change' by changing some things about us ... including the view that anything is ever in need of change ... thus bringing about an EARTHSHAKING CHANGE in how life is encountered! Oh, a CRAZY-SANE KARMIC KATCH-22!

    However, the fundamental Heart of this Path must remain learning to be so intimately At Home, At One with life ... that there is no need for "what's next" ... no hole to fill as "something missing". Our way to do so is simply to sit Shikantaza, dropping all thought and desire for "what's next" ... all while welcoming and embracing whatever comes next.

    So, please learn ... in one's heart of hearts ... that "what's next" is learning to live freer and freer of "asking and needing, running after or away from 'what's next'"

    I sometimes hear other teachers speak of flavors of Buddhism that promise to liberate us from this world, to encounter states of mind-and-body free of time and space! Many promise to take us from this world or ordinary being to another world or state of being. They seek for such states as "what needs to be done" and (hopefully, if the practice works out) "what's next". I don't much care for such Buddhism.

    That's because this Way of Shikantaza, if properly mastered, liberates us from this world right in this world. Time and space are fully realized, dropped away and found again, in each instant of time and inch of space. Our way takes us from this world of ordinary being ... and leaves us squarely right back in this world of ordinary being ... NOW REVEALED AS ANYTHING BUT 'ORDINARY' ALL ALONG.

    All that, simply by dropping to the marrow 'what's next'.

    'What's next' then turns out to be ...



    'NOTHING ELSE IS NEXT, THUS EVERYTHING IS NEXT!



    Today’s Sit-A-Long video follows at this link. Remember: recording ends soon after the beginning bells; a sitting time of 15 to 35 minutes is recommended

    Last edited by Jundo; 06-02-2016 at 01:52 AM.

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    I need to have this smacked into my feeble mind. Just what I needed to hear. Thank you,Jundo.
    Gassho
    Jeff

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    Thank you Jundo ... no need, just sit.
    RINDO SHINGEN
    倫道 真現

    As a trainee priest, please take any commentary by me on matters of the Dharma with a pinch of salt.

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  5. #5
    When sitting, just sit
    thanks for the talk jundo
    the way it is

    Gassho
    bob

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    Thank you Jundo, this is wonderful.

    Gassho
    Michael
    RINDO SHINGEN
    倫道 真現

    As a trainee priest, please take any commentary by me on matters of the Dharma with a pinch of salt.

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    Thank you! This is something that I was asking myself just yesterday. After reaching a few small personal goals or in the process of, I thought, "OK, what else can I sink myself into". What's next on the agenda. This sometimes causes a little anxiety and worry. Now, a little more clear.
    Gassho,
    Onken

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    Hey Jundo, what's your next talk about ???


    (ducks and runs away)
    The best way to honour the women of the Prairies who won the right to vote a hundred years ago isn't a monument. It's you going out to vote.

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    Great talk on the "What's next" phenomenon

    Thanks, Jundo.

    Just yesterday I was reading a post by Taigu where he said hope is the other side of fear.

    Krishnamurti talked a lot about the inability of experience to free us or satisfy us.

    How could it, since we, as ego, are just experience? So it is just a case of dissatisfaction in search of more dissatisfaction.

    Gassho,
    Dave
    Last edited by Dave Schauweker; 02-08-2013 at 06:28 PM.

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    This is a teaching I have to always remind myself.
    Thank you Jundo!
    Gassho
    Lee

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    Quote Originally Posted by dharma7154 View Post
    This is a teaching I have to always remind myself.
    Thank you Jundo!
    Gassho
    Lee
    There is no "what's next" ... no place to go and nothing to attain.

    And thus we keep moving forward, each day, diligently toward our goals.

    It is not an either/or thing.

    Gassho, J
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

  12. #12
    Thanks Jundo!

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    Jundo, Thanks loved this. Just what I needed as I reboot my practice.
    Jukai '08 Dharma Name: Shinko

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    That's indeed a very important lesson and I will keep this as a reminder.

    Gassho,

    Timo
    no thing needs to be added

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    Thanks very much Jundo!!

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    With gratitude for lesson.

    Gassho,
    Edward

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    I will keep this practice too. Many thanks Jundo and much appreciation.

    Deep Deep Bows

    Davi

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    Jundo, I have nothing to offer but an ordinary (but sincere) thank you.

    Gassho
    Matt
    Last edited by Genshin; 06-21-2013 at 07:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jundo View Post
    And, though there is "nothing ever missing or in need of adding and doing" ... that does not mean that there are not things to lose, gain or do! Learning to be free of the "need for change" is a REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE ... a change helped along by things we need to do and change, such as learning to be less driven by GREED, ANGER and IGNORANCE! In this crazy-sane practice, we master how to live 'without need for change' by changing some things about us ... including the view that anything is ever in need of change ... thus bringing about an EARTHSHAKING CHANGE in how life is encountered! Oh, a CRAZY-SANE KARMIC KATCH-22!

    However, the fundamental Heart of this Path must remain learning to be so intimately At Home, At One with life ... that there is no need for "what's next" ... no hole to fill as "something missing". Our way to do so is simply to sit Shikantaza, dropping all thought and desire for "what's next" ... all while welcoming and embracing whatever comes next.

    So, please learn ... in one's heart of hearts ... that "what's next" is learning to live freer and freer of "asking and needing, running after or away from 'what's next'"

    Thank you very much for this lesson, Jundo!

    Gassho.

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    YEah!!! great great reminder Jundo! thank you.

    Gassho

    kb
    Dancing between stillness and motion I find peace.

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    Thanks, Jundo I am a senior and at my age and being a junior member, I am relieved to know I just am, I don't need to seek change, and I can learn at my own speed, and in my own way. Certainly I am still growing at my speed, and that's okay. Thanks for the lesson. Elgwyn.
    For the end is to know the beginning, to know the beginning is to know the end for the first time.

  22. #22
    Remember, the answer to the question, "What's new ?" Is always, "Everthing !"

  23. #23
    I watch this talk every now and again when I find myself searching for whats next.

    Thank you

    Gassho, Kyotai
    sat today
    I am a student at Treeleaf. Please take what I say with a grain of salt. Gassho

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    What's next?
    What is now!

    Tnx, SAT2day
    Kind regards

    Erik

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    Thank you.

    Still have to learn this lesson inside and outside the zendo.

    Gassho,
    Ralf sattoday.
    古庭 KoTei / Ralf

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    Thank you Jundo

    Gassho
    Lisa
    sat today

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    Thank you for this. It reminds me of this story: A student struggling with his meditation went to his teacher and said "My practice! Every time I sit it's miserable and I can't calm my mind!" The teacher smiled and said "Keep meditating. It will pass". And it did. After a time he began to experience deep concentration and even rapture when he sat. One day, no longer able to contain his joy, he went to his teacher and exclaimed "My practice! It's so wonderful I've never felt such bliss". Again, the teacher smiled and said "Keep meditating. It will pass."

    What's next? More of the same. We grow old, get sick, and die. We experience an entire spectrum of emotion and create whole worlds of identity that we populate with very specific and inflexible models of self. I forget (oh how I try to forget!) that life on its own terms is messy and unsatisfactory. It is only my clinging to the hope that it could be otherwise that causes me suffering.

    Thank you again for the reminder, Jundo.

    Steve
    Sat today (and oh the suffering!!!)

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    Jundo,

    Thanks. I love the teaching. It's very refreshing. But I'm confused (like it's the first time its ever happened to a Zen student.)

    In sitting, and stillness, and the fog, maybe smog that comes up, you see all sorts of things and the way you've done things that aren'tin line with the precepts. Just living with those things seems to offer up a daily laundry list of things that need changing. You know, greed, aversion, fear, grasping, selfishness, all that Mara stuff.

    I guess the take home message is don't cling to the Mara stuff? Watch it and let it go? But you need to actively do things sometime and make specific changes, mostly to personal habits. Isn't that change?

    Tom
    Sat
    Last edited by Tom; 04-11-2017 at 04:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom View Post
    Jundo,

    Thanks. I love the teaching. It's very refreshing. But I'm confused (like it's the first time its ever happened to a Zen student.)

    In sitting, and stillness, and the fog, maybe smog that comes up, you see all sorts of things and the way you've done things that aren'tin line with the precepts. Just living with those things seems to offer up a daily laundry list of things that need changing. You know, greed, aversion, fear, grasping, selfishness, all that Mara stuff.

    I guess the take home message is don't cling to the Mara stuff? Watch it and let it go? But you need to actively do things sometime and make specific changes, mostly to personal habits. Isn't that change?

    Tom
    Sat
    Hi Tom,

    Yes, just because "there is nothing to change" about us does --not-- mean that we may not have to change some things about us to realize this "nothing to change."

    Look at this talk and see if it helps ...

    Soto Zen folks say that every moment of Zazen is complete, sacred, a perfect action, with not one thing to add, not one thing to take away. When we sit Zazen, we are a Buddha sitting. In such way, we come to taste all of this life and world as sacred, a jewel, with not one thing to add, not one thing to take away from it. Perfectly just-what-it-is.

    But we have to be very cautious here, not misunderstand:

    ... Saying “we are already Buddha” is not enough if we don’t realize that, act like so!

    Simple, exaggerated example …

    Perhaps a fellow sits down to Zazen for the first time who is a violent man, a thief and alcoholic. He hears that “all is Buddha just as it is“, so thinks that Zen practice means “all is a jewel just as it is, so thus maybe I can simply stay that way, just drink and beat my wife and rob strangers“. Well, no, because while a thief and wife-beater is just that … a thief and wife-beater, yet a Buddha nonetheless … still, someone filled with such anger and greed and empty holes to fill in their psyche is not really “at peace with how things are” (or he would not beat and steal and need to self-medicate). In other words, he takes and craves and acts from anger and frustration because he does not truly understand “peace with this life as it is” … because if he did, he would not need to be those violent, punishing ways.

    If the angry, violent fellow truly knew “completeness“, truly had “no hole in need of filling“, “nothing lacking” everything “complete just as it is” … well, he simply would not have need to do violence, stealing and take drugs to cover his inner pain.

    This is a non-self-fulfilling Catch-22.
    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...nners-%2818%29

    The excess desire, anger, jealousy, divided thinking is precisely what keeps the person from experiencing and realizing such completeness and "nothing to change."

    As I posted elsewhere today: Remember that Dogen not only said that, in Practice, there is "no place to go and nothing to attain."

    He also said "Practice never ends" and is in each moment, of endless depths. A Koan.

    Gassho, J

    SatToday
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    Many thanks. This'll be my koan for the evening walk: "This is a non-self-fulfilling Catch-22."

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    Thank you, Jundo, for this talk and for sharing this practice through Treeleaf.

    Gassho,
    Onkai
    SatToday

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    Just watched this for the first time. Wonderful talk
    Thank you.
    Gassho,
    Enjaku
    Sat
    援若

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    "Nothing in need of changing," does not mean, "don't change what you want to change." Another aspect of practice is seeing in the moment what needs to be done.

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    I wonder, reading this, if trying to literally answer the question could not be a remedy to the question. Like : "what is next" ? I mean, what is it really, what does next mean ?

    Gassho,

    Uggy,

    Sat today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugrok View Post
    I wonder, reading this, if trying to literally answer the question could not be a remedy to the question. Like : "what is next" ? I mean, what is it really, what does next mean ?

    Gassho,

    Uggy,

    Sat today
    Even thinking about that. huh? What does all your thinking about stuff, such as "what is 'what is next''' mean?

    Gassho, J

    SatTodayLAH
    Last edited by Jundo; 06-23-2017 at 03:27 PM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    Hahahah damned, you are even crazier than i am !

    Deep bows,

    Gassho,

    Uggy

    Sat today, LAH

  37. #37
    Great thread! I recently finished the beginners series and was feeling a bit overwhelmed by the amount of content here... and was actually getting ready to post a question of "what is next?" And "where to focus?"

    After seeing this video... I understand and I feel more at ease with my not knowing.

    Thank you!

    Gassho,
    Kevin

    Sat today

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    Thank you Jundo.

    Gassho

    Myoho
    stich by stich....

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