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  1. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan-S View Post
    I like that idea of crafting a collection of home liturgy for regular use! I find myself looking some things up repeatedly. This is definitely something I would like to do as I learn.

    that's something i started doing a few years ago. started creating folders to bookmark threads. then started saving certain sections as PDFs or Word docs, then collected into folders on my computer. then took an old binder and printed out some files that I found myself opening repeatedly and started creating a reference for myself to use with Treeleaf ceremonies and for my own practice. that evolved to printouts of verses to stick in my bag for when i'm waiting somewhere -- then that project began.

    good thing my browsers and computer are better organized than my brain is!

    so i have a mini-library that is always expanding and changing of Treeleaf stuff that i just adapt and add to over time. parts of it are always with me -- often in my pocket or my bag, and the big stuff (like chant books) in my binder. i also have a slowly-expanding (and far behind) library of books, verses and writings that members here have authored (and are/will) -- I follow all of these things.

    that's just me, though. best wishes on your exploring and your learning!

    gassho, meian
    st lh
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    迷安 | Meian
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    I have lived and practiced with chronic illness for some years, and am happy to share experiences, support, or just listen as needed.

  2. #52
    For me coming to Zen has been in bits and pieces until I met Jon Kobot-Zinn, and his Tibetan symbol like bells. I own a pair of such bells inspired by him and the low price on Amazon. Thereafter my daughter began sending me items for an alter, and my wife bought me items for the same purpose. Along the way I purchased a Buddhist chair cushion, which I still use, and I began using an antique coffee table of etched plywood, and oak edging, the coffee table my father hand-built for my mother when they were new in their marriage. Long before my dad and step-mom married, the table came to me, and four years ago, when I began to practice meditation on my own, before instruction in zazen. the table, only slightly damaged, to a beautiful altetr, with chair and cushion, serene statues of both Buddha, and Christ, and electric candles all over the table, beautiful bell my daughter had sent me from Japan, and many trinkets, one from Jundo, a gift with the Heart Sutra in Japanese on it, and almost all gifts from daughter and wife. My alter has for me great meaning, with many pieces from Japan. I sit most days before my alter, left shoulder propped against southeastern wall to support sagging spine and body. There I practice zazen. My question is, what is the place of music, specifically western classical music, in sitting, or is it ever possible?
    Taishi
    Gassho/lah
    sat
    Last edited by Tai Shi; 02-26-2020 at 07:22 PM.
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  3. #53
    My question is, what is the place of music, specifically western classical music, in sitting, or is it ever possible?
    Hi Tai Shi

    Listening to music is a wonderful thing, and can be done in a meditative way, contemplating each note and the entire piece as it unfolds.

    However, in Shikantaza, we just sit with what is without adding anything. So, no music.

    Gassho
    Kokuu
    -sattoday/lah-
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    Feel free to message me if you wish to talk about issues around practicing with physical limitations. This is something I have been sitting with for a fair while and am happy to help with suggestions or just offer a listening ear.

  4. #54
    Although Jundo states sitting anywhere happens, and with medical or painful procedures I breath in a meditative way, I don't believe this is zazen. I generally sit in a quiet place in our home. Occasionally I sit zazen in a waiting room, or will attempt so. This is not always successful.
    Tai Shi
    sat/ lah
    Gassho
    Kindness, Ubasoku, Calm Poetry, I seek always to support.

  5. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Tai Shi View Post
    Although Jundo states sitting anywhere happens, and with medical or painful procedures I breath in a meditative way, I don't believe this is zazen. I generally sit in a quiet place in our home. Occasionally I sit zazen in a waiting room, or will attempt so. This is not always successful.
    Tai Shi
    sat/ lah
    Gassho
    If you do your best to sit in equanimity and non-judgement, focusing on the breath ... even though, at that same moment you might not actually be feeling much equanimity, be feeling lousy and think it is a bad deal too ... then it is pretty much Zazen.

    Gassho, J

    STLah
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

  6. #56
    Thank you Jundo Roshi
    Tai Shi
    sat/lah
    Gassho


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  7. #57
    My home liturgy is very simple. Serenity prayer. Count breath 1 to 10 back to 1 then do this 20 or 30 min. Then say a Christian prayer. Thatís it, be grateful. Rise from chair or just Gassho while sitting your done.
    Tai Shi
    sat/ lah
    Gassho


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  8. #58
    The book by John Daido Loori Roshi is very nice, I have enjoyed it so far. I already appreciated the aspects of liturgy that help my consistency through the day, but the section on dharanis has been illuminating. I am still not sure that the universe benefits from hearing me chant...

    Gassho,
    Gareth

    Sat today

  9. #59
    Thank you. I had wanted to ask on what I could do to deepen my practice.

    The Ryaku Fusatsu ceromony this week was very touching.

    I will be ordering the reccomended books with the intention of bringing sacredness to life in my everyday.

    Gassho,

    Greg
    STLAH

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  10. #60
    Is there a recomended bpm for chanting?
    I want to start chanting rather than just reading off the page.
    I can use a metronome to count the beats that way I can be up to speed
    when I get a chance to sit with others.

    gassho
    M
    sat

  11. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by michaelw View Post
    Is there a recomended bpm for chanting?
    I want to start chanting rather than just reading off the page.
    I can use a metronome to count the beats that way I can be up to speed
    when I get a chance to sit with others.

    gassho
    M
    sat
    Hmmm. I am not the musicologist around here, but I might suggest just to listen to the Ceremony during any of our weekly and monthly Treeleaf Zazenkai, such as this one ...

    https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/show...of-Non-duality

    ... and just to copy the beat. I feel it is okay if it is a little faster or slower, as even different Sangha or Chanters tend to vary a bit.

    Gassho, Jundo
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

  12. #62
    Current "morning service" at the hut. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O5Y...ew?usp=sharing

    Rotates Genjokoan, Sandokai, Jewel Mirror, Fukanzazengi as the long chant.

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    gassho
    ds sat, some lah
    Visiting unsui, take w/salt.

  13. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Shōnin Risa Bear View Post
    Current "morning service" at the hut. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O5Y...ew?usp=sharing

    Rotates Genjokoan, Sandokai, Jewel Mirror, Fukanzazengi as the long chant.

    a109343d11c3ae6530d9f345ae798514.jpg

    gassho
    ds sat, some lah
    I sooooo love the hut! And Iím especially fond of its dweller!

    Sat Today
    Bion
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  14. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by michaelw View Post
    Is there a recomended bpm for chanting?
    I want to start chanting rather than just reading off the page.
    I can use a metronome to count the beats that way I can be up to speed
    when I get a chance to sit with others.

    gassho
    M
    sat
    I am a chanter and I have to say, I like to start it off quite slow and steady, just to harmonize breath and sound and be mindful about each syllable and I like my chanting to be powerful and uniform. Certain chants, like the Heart Sutra, actually gain speed as we do them so we start with one tempo and end up faster! I say, follow your breath and body and completely pour yourself into every sound, syllable and knock. Like Jundo said, It does help to observe ceremonies and learn from there first.

    Sat Today
    Bion
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  15. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Bion View Post
    I am a chanter and I have to say, I like to start it off quite slow and steady, just to harmonize breath and sound and be mindful about each syllable and I like my chanting to be powerful and uniform. Certain chants, like the Heart Sutra, actually gain speed as we do them so we start with one tempo and end up faster! I say, follow your breath and body and completely pour yourself into every sound, syllable and knock. Like Jundo said, It does help to observe ceremonies and learn from there first.

    Sat Today
    Bion

    Thanks for your reply.
    I overlooked the change in tempo.
    I have never found a metronome that could keep time anyway - (humour).

    Thinking back to my choir days we were encouraged to 'breath the Psalms not sing them at the top of your voice'.
    I will try that as I work with the chants book.

    gassho
    M

  16. #66
    On Kinhin - Bernie Glassman Roshi, when he first started, asked about the practice of kinhin. The roshi referred the question to his attendant student (who was Taizan Maezumi) who said "when we walk, we just walk". As for the gear and sounds and gestures and words - for some people these can be a comfort and a support, a peaceful place in an often chaotic and even frightening world, and comfort and support matter, because feelings matter. PS - I had a VERY stresssful task and found myself firmly chanting the four vows al the way through it - it definitely got me through this.

    rowan/jinho
    ST / LAH
    Last edited by Rowan; 05-15-2022 at 05:14 AM.

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