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  • Doshin
    Treeleaf Unsui
    • May 2015
    • 2625

    [EcoDharma] Are we Destroying the Earth

    Are we destroying the Earth?

    No we are not. Worldwide volcanic eruptions and meteors have not been able to do that. So I feel fairly confident our species won’t achieve that either. However we are degrading the planets ability to support the diversity of life we are so enriched with and making the challenges for our species grave. Someday our sun and this planet will be gone but maybe, just maybe we will have colonized different galaxies (if we can change our ways and can avoid extinction) and unlike all species that came before in our 4.5 billion year history we may not go extinct in near geologic time .

    In this thread I plan to review a recently published book. ‘Not the End of the World’ by Hannah Ritchie (2024). Hannah Ritchie is a data driven scientist that looks at the State of the World from a different perspective and suggests we are making positive strides and with changes we can continue to work towards a sustainable future.

    In the Living Earth Thread I asked the question “Can we meet this moment of an environmental crisis with enough resolve to minimize or reverse the changes that this planet faces?” And Sangha member Heiso referenced Hannah Ritchie and I saw she just published a book on the subject.

    My plan is to post after I have read each Chapter. Please add your thoughts. If anyone else reads this book I would enjoy your company along this path.

    Doshin
    Stlah
    Last edited by Doshin; 04-04-2024, 11:57 AM.
  • Doshin
    Treeleaf Unsui
    • May 2015
    • 2625

    #2
    The author, Dr. Hannah Ritchie is a senior researcher in the Programme on Global Development at the University of Oxford as well as deputy editor of the online publication Our World in Data. A few years ago, she was named Scotland’s Youth Climate Champion. Her work focuses on analysis data and interpreting trends.

    In the Forward she provides an overview of a global summary that asked 100,000 16–25-year-olds about their attitudes toward climate change. The data from 11 diverse countries provided a snapshot of what our youth are thinking. More than 75% thought the future was frightening, 54% felt humanity was doomed, and 37% were hesitant to bring children into a troubled future (where a significant listed climate change as a minor or major reason for this decision). Some of my grandchildren are in that age group and so I found it bothering that they may be less optimistic about the future than I was at their age. So of course, her perspective has engaged me to seek some light at the end of a dark tunnel that I have looked down during my half century in the environmental field. I continue to keep hope alive and am looking for a perspective that will help me evaluate my view. I like that her book is extensively footnoted with references.

    Dr. Ritchie makes a case in the Forward that there is hope but that the environmental challenges are great and important. She believes the more existential threat to humanity is nuclear war, global pandemic, or artificial intelligence.

    So, over the next 8 Chapters I will look to her data to hopefully brighten my outlook for those who come after.

    Doshin

    Stlah
    Last edited by Doshin; 03-31-2024, 01:03 AM.

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    • Doshin
      Treeleaf Unsui
      • May 2015
      • 2625

      #3
      Chapter 1 Sustainability


      This Chapter quotes the 1987 UN definition for sustainability as ‘meeting the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs’. The author also states the world has never been sustainable. I personally mostly agree and somewhat disagree. I agree with her that since our species incorporated agriculture into our survival, we have been tough on the environment (e.g. soil, water, lack of tolerance of competing species, deforestation) and even more so in the last Century with our modernization of agriculture compounded by an exponential growth of the human population in (i.e. more people the more resources needed, interdependent). My perspective is that for the 300,000 years before we slowly adopted growing crops to support and eventually replacing hunting and gathering, our existence was more sustainable. But we cannot go back to those origins with our species so dominant on the planet. But she optimistically sees a new path that will allow us to achieve sustainability. I am listening.

      The Chapter then makes the case that there was no better time to live than now. Science has greatly benefited us. Mothers surviving childbirth has greatly been enhanced and the odds of children living past puberty has been doubled. Life expectancy has increased. Food insecurity has been greatly reduced, access to clean water, energy and sanitation greatly enhanced, and education is no longer just the privilege of a few. Extreme poverty has declined. But all this has come at a massive environmental cost.

      These environmental costs and how to address them are addressed in the next 7 Chapters. Those Chapters are Air Pollution, Climate Change, Deforestation, Food, Biodiversity Loss, Ocean Plastics, and Overfishing.

      Doshin
      stlah
      Last edited by Doshin; 04-02-2024, 11:32 AM.

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      • Naiko
        Member
        • Aug 2019
        • 837

        #4
        Thank you, Doshin.

        Naiko
        stlah

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        • Myojin
          Member
          • Feb 2023
          • 226

          #5
          Thanks Doshin, for summarizing this.

          Agriculture, as essential as it is, is a prime culprit however you do it.

          I recall, 20 years ago now, sitting on a dry flood plain in the Fertile Crescent, what was once ancient Sumer, and realising that what I was sat on was not sand at all, but desiccated soil. Continuous removal of foliage had prevented the soil from retaining moisture, eventually leading to the ecosystem collapsing, and with it the cradle of civilization.
          Interdependence indeed. We look after the environment, because if it goes we follow.

          Gassho
          Sattlah

          Myojin

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          • Tairin
            Member
            • Feb 2016
            • 2705

            #6
            Thank you Doshin


            Tairin
            Sat today and lah
            泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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            • Ryumon
              Member
              • Apr 2007
              • 1689

              #7
              I've always found that talking about "saving the planet" is very misleading. It really means saving humanity, and perhaps it would be better for the many species on Earth if we were gone. The planet will survive without us. Asteroids will destroy most species on Earth at some point, as they have several times in the past, but Earth will live on.

              I recently interviewed the author of this novel for a podcast, and her thought experiment was about what would happen if humans were gone, but there is still intelligence, along with the many other species that live on earth.

              A new novel! If you are interested in humans, AIs, and/or Earth, you might like this book. Published by Simon & Schuster.


              Food for thought. We're special, but not that special.

              Gassho,

              Ryūmon (Kirk)

              Sat Lah
              ---
              Ryūmon (Kirk)
              流文

              SAT/LAH

              I know nothing.

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              • Alina
                Member
                • Jul 2023
                • 122

                #8
                Thank you Doshin for starting this thread.

                She believes the more existential threat to humanity is nuclear war, global pandemic, or artificial intelligence.
                I agree with that, and what I am most afraid of is the confluence of climate change and it's consequences, and how that may push societies to more extreme choices to protect themselves from... each other? Mass migration, intolerance and cultural clashes seem to me a bigger threat that anything else, the Earth will be OK, the biodiversity will come back eventually, but "the world as we know it" is what is changing and maybe not for the better. Sorry for the doom and gloom.

                Gassho,

                Alina
                st+lah

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                • Kokuu
                  Treeleaf Priest
                  • Nov 2012
                  • 6719

                  #9
                  I've always found that talking about "saving the planet" is very misleading. It really means saving humanity, and perhaps it would be better for the many species on Earth if we were gone. The planet will survive without us. Asteroids will destroy most species on Earth at some point, as they have several times in the past, but Earth will live on...

                  Food for thought. We're special, but not that special.
                  Totally. 99% of life that has ever existed on earth is now extinct. What makes us special (aside from opposable thumbs and the ability to write sitcoms)?

                  Deep Ecology came out of the idea that environmentalism should be more than saving human beings from themselves, but of the sacredness and interconnectedness of life itself, regardless of its practical use to humankind.

                  The world will be fine, but we are currently negatively impacting many of the other species we share it with and that is not okay.

                  Thank you for the link to Debbie's book, Kirk.

                  Gassho
                  Kokuu
                  -sattoday/lah-

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                  • Doshin
                    Treeleaf Unsui
                    • May 2015
                    • 2625

                    #10
                    Ryumon, I added her book to my list. Where may I find your Podcast?

                    Alina, that is a good point about the Climate Crisis pushing us toward war.

                    I agree with the both of you that the World will Carry On. It will mostly be negative for us and all other life forms. There have been five major extinctions, and if I remember correctly it took about 10 million years for the biodiversity to return to similar levels. I guess we should be happy with the last great extinction because the decline of dinosaurs allowed mammals to flourish from which we came.

                    Thank you for sharing your thoughts, they help me in my understanding.

                    Doshin
                    Stlah

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                    • Ryumon
                      Member
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 1689

                      #11
                      Here's a link to the episode:

                      After many years writing short stories and essays, Debbie Urbanski has published her first novel, After World, about AI at the end of humanity's physical presence on earth.


                      Gassho,

                      Ryūmon (Kirk)

                      Sat Lah
                      ---
                      Ryūmon (Kirk)
                      流文

                      SAT/LAH

                      I know nothing.

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                      • Heiso
                        Member
                        • Jan 2019
                        • 824

                        #12
                        Thanks Doshin, I'll be following along with interest. I suspect I won't agree with everything but I'm interested to hear about where there is hope for us.

                        Gassho,

                        Heiso
                        StLah

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                        • Doshin
                          Treeleaf Unsui
                          • May 2015
                          • 2625

                          #13
                          Review of Book I am summarizing in this thread.



                          Doshin
                          Stlah

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                          • Doshin
                            Treeleaf Unsui
                            • May 2015
                            • 2625

                            #14
                            Chapter 6: Biodiversity Loss

                            Okay, I skipped ahead. My bad but this Chapter attracts my interest. Not saying the other challenges are not important, just that I am biased as many of you know from my postings the last 9 years, so I was just anxious to read this topic.

                            Let me offer a definition of Biodiversity as … the summation of all life on our planet (from plants to Blue Whales and everything else). In addition to species, it includes the combination of species and environmental factors that compose ecosystems such as a rainforest (and there are diverse types of rainforest ecosystems).

                            This Chapter discusses human impact on biodiversity, going back thousands of years when it is believed our ancestors hunted many species to extinction (specifically large mammals such as mammoths, ground sloths, etc). This is referred to as the Quaternary Megafauna Extinction where 178 largest mammal species went extinct. There are competing hypotheses to this assertion about over hunting as a major driver, such as climate change caused by extraterrestrial causes. However recent species extinctions/declines can be attributed primarily to human over utilization, habitat loss, invasive species, pollution and climate change. The author states that now humans and our livestock make up 62% of the world’s mammal biomass and wild animals only 4%, a big difference from just a few thousand years ago.

                            Is the extinction rate now greater than in the past before humans? The author states mass extinction rates are defined as losing 75% of the species over 2 million years. With the earth around 4.5 billion years old, 2 million years is a short time frame. Five mass extinctions have been documented in the past. The rate of species going extinct now will reach 75% in 37,500 years.

                            We have success stories that show we can reverse trends. Both the European and North American Bison were drastically reduced in numbers but now have growing populations. There are many other species that our efforts have restored. In North America, after European colonization and excessive hunting for the market, species such as elk, pronghorn antelope and turkey were greatly reduced but through laws restricting hunting and habitat protection have increased their numbers. Also, wolves were all but eliminated in the US by early in the-last century. However, restoration efforts have successfully restored wolves in many states and their numbers continue to increase.

                            A significant tool used in conservation is the protection of areas of high biodiversity. As of 2021, 16% of the world’s lands were included in protected areas (a large variation in the types of protection). In December 2022 many countries signed a deal to protect 30% of the land surface by 2030. Some conservation groups want to achieve 50% by 2050. So, there is some good news but what percent of the land’s surface will be protected depends on many factors, but mostly the will of our species. I consider it a positive step forward that more people, groups, and governments have recognized the loss of biodiversity and are doing something to address it. Will it be enough?

                            The things that the author believes are necessary to conserve biodiversity;

                            • Increase crop yields to reduce farming land
                            • Bring deforestation to an end
                            • Eat less meat, and reduce livestock
                            • Improve our efficiency of, but don’t eliminate chemical inputs such as fertilizers and pesticides
                            • Stop global climate change
                            • Stop plastic leaking into our oceans.

                            We recognize the problem; we have had successes that we can build on and there are efforts underway to protect more lands supporting biodiversity. However, the above list of things to address is not an easy task but they also address other environmental issues such as pollution and water quality.

                            I take some solace in the enthusiasm and passion of the many working to protect and restore biodiversity throughout the world. No one thinks it is an easy path, but their efforts give me hope.

                            To save all sentient beings,
                            Doshin
                            stlah

                            Note: The author goes into much greater detail but in the interest of time I have summarized my take a way and added some of my thoughts from my experience working in this area.
                            Last edited by Doshin; 04-10-2024, 07:01 PM.

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                            • Alina
                              Member
                              • Jul 2023
                              • 122

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Doshin
                              Review of Book I am summarizing in this thread.



                              Doshin
                              Stlah
                              Thank you Doshin for sharing this article.

                              "Yes, vast numbers of us do want to work towards the beautiful sustainable society that Ritchie has in mind. But there are other groups, fuelled by anger or fear or greed, that really do not, and Ritchie does not suggest any tools we can use to get round that colossal obstacle. I understand that it is beyond the scope of her book, beyond the power of most of us, even. But it seems bonkers not to even mention it."

                              This is what I was referring to in my comment above. No one seems to have an answer for the human-profit-driven-behavior problem in the whole climate change discussion, since very few are willing to yield.

                              Anyway, I think it's good that a book with an optimistic point of view has been published, because pessimism usually doesn't solve anything. Hopefully many will follow her ideas.

                              Gassho [emoji120]

                              Alina
                              stlah

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