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    Giving away my karma

    Hello darlings.

    Im currently reading Old Path White Clouds. Its a large collection of stories about the Buddha, all from the sutras that are retold in a lovely story by Thich Naht Hanh. In one story, a disciple of the Buddah gives away his karma to his deceased mother... and im very compelled by this.

    Is that a thing? And if it is, how do I do it?

    Gassho
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    By talking to your spirit guide??

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    I’ve not heard of transferring karma… that seems to go against many things.

    There’s the concept of pattidana/Ekō, however, where one can transfer merit, which is different than karma, usually to the departed ancestors/relatives but can be extended to all sentient beings.

    I’ll defer to those more knowledgeable to me. Very interesting question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shokai View Post
    By talking to your spirit guide??

    gassho, Shokai
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    Im sorry, but I don't understand what your trying to tell me. Would you elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koushi View Post
    I’ve not heard of transferring karma… that seems to go against many things.

    There’s the concept of pattidana/Ekō, however, where one can transfer merit, which is different than karma, usually to the departed ancestors/relatives but can be extended to all sentient beings.

    I’ll defer to those more knowledgeable to me. Very interesting question.

    Gassho,
    Koushi
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    Yes! This sounds like the concept. Thanks to much for chiming in. This will be my next little research project.

    Gassho
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    Hello darlings.

    Im currently reading Old Path White Clouds. Its a large collection of stories about the Buddha, all from the sutras that are retold in a lovely story by Thich Naht Hanh. In one story, a disciple of the Buddah gives away his karma to his deceased mother... and im very compelled by this.

    Is that a thing? And if it is, how do I do it?

    Gassho
    Keith
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    In fact, we Mahayana Buddhist should "give away" and dedicate --ALL-- the merit of our good Karmic acts to others, and thus, for example, every Zen ceremony has an "Eko" (Dedication) recitation dedicating the merit of that ceremony or practice to others. You do not need to "do" anything really in order to achieve that, except to wish so in one's heart. The words of the "Eko" simply express that wish.

    A "win win win" reverse triple "pay-off" of doing so, by the way, is that the "donor" traditionally thus gets a "double-triple reward" ... both the effects of the "good Karma" acts which are donated, but yet are somehow also kept too PLUS EXTRA "good karmic points" for the good act of donating!! That's on top of the donee benefitting too! All these "karmic points" are traditionally said to eventually manifest in good effects, either in this life or in a future life (in this case, both for donor and donee).

    For someone like me who is less a "literalist" on all this Karmic accounting, I still believe that our good acts in life generally tend to have good effects, both for ourselves and others who are touched by our acts (sadly, our bad acts all tend to hurt others and us too.) "Dedicating" to others is still a good thing, even if not literally so, because it keeps us thinking of others, trying to help others, and less selfish for ourself.

    Here, let me dedicated this:

    "May the merit of having written the above benefit all sentient beings everywhere."


    Gassho, J

    stlah

    PS - By talking to your spirit guide?? - I bet old Shokai just meant that he is not such a literalist on these things either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jundo View Post
    In fact, we Mahayana Buddhist should "give away" and dedicate --ALL-- the merit of our good Karmic acts to others, and thus, for example, every Zen ceremony has an "Eko" (Dedication) recitation dedicating the merit of that ceremony or practice to others. You do not need to "do" anything really in order to achieve that, except to wish so in one's heart. The words of the "Eko" simply express that wish.

    A "win win win" reverse triple "pay-off" of doing so, by the way, is that the "donor" traditionally thus gets a "double-triple reward" ... both the effects of the "good Karma" acts which are donated, but yet are somehow also kept too PLUS EXTRA "good karmic points" for the good act of donating!! That's on top of the donee benefitting too! All these "karmic points" are traditionally said to eventually manifest in good effects, either in this life or in a future life (in this case, both for donor and donee).

    For someone like me who is less a "literalist" on all this Karmic accounting, I still believe that our good acts in life generally tend to have good effects, both for ourselves and others who are touched by our acts (sadly, our bad acts all tend to hurt others and us too.) "Dedicating" to others is still a good thing, even if not literally so, because it keeps us thinking of others, trying to help others, and less selfish for ourself.

    Here, let me dedicated this:

    "May the merit of having written the above benefit all sentient beings everywhere."


    Gassho, J

    stlah

    PS - By talking to your spirit guide?? - I bet old Shokai just meant that he is not such a literalist on these things either.

    Thanks Roshi.
    I can now mindfully and shamelessly launder my merit.

    Gassho
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    For someone like me who is less a "literalist" on all this Karmic accounting, I still believe that our good acts in life generally tend to have good effects, both for ourselves and others who are touched by our acts (sadly, our bad acts all tend to hurt others and us too.) "Dedicating" to others is still a good thing, even if not literally so, because it keeps us thinking of others, trying to help others, and less selfish for ourself.
    This is the way i see karma too.

    thanks Keith for the question ( i am sure "giving" all of us something to think about will have merit ) and thank you, Jundo for the answer (same ).


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    Giving away my karma

    To me, itís a wonderful idea to say: ďwhatever deeds I did that are good, should they bear good fruit, let it benefit this person I love.Ē Itís very much in line with a bodhisattvaís attitude, which is to benefit others even at the expense of personal sacrifice. To me itís more than a symbolic act. Itís an active commitment to put into practice that dedication to helping and supporting others.

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    In some Hindu traditions there is a concept of transferring one's karma to another, for example, by touching their feet. Care must be exercised, though, because we don't get to choose what of our karma is transferred. I've always heard of it in the sense of foisting your negative karma over onto the other person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bion View Post
    To me, it’s a wonderful idea to say: “whatever deeds I did that are good, should they bear good fruit, let it benefit this person I love.” It’s very much in line with a bodhisattva’s attitude, which is to benefit others even at the expense of personal sacrifice. To me it’s more than a symbolic act. It’s an active commitment to put into practice that dedication to helping and supporting others.

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    I really like that.
    Thank you Bion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nengei View Post
    In some Hindu traditions there is a concept of transferring one's karma to another, for example, by touching their feet. Care must be exercised, though, because we don't get to choose what of our karma is transferred. I've always heard of it in the sense of foisting your negative karma over onto the other person.

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    That is VERY fascinating. Thank you for adding to the topic! Im getting lots of great info.

    Gassho
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