I was just wondering why this isn’t called, in Japanese, the Tenzogenzo…
Gassho,
Ryūmon (Kirk)
Sat
I was just wondering why this isn’t called, in Japanese, the Tenzogenzo…
Gassho,
Ryūmon (Kirk)
Sat
流文
I know nothing.
I want to say cause 教訓( kyōkun ) has the shared meaning of both lesson and precept, or moral teaching, where 教 is faith, doctrine or teaching and 訓 is instruction or explanation. So it goes beyond just lesson in an academic sense. The genzō in Shohogenzo comes from Daihui’s 正法眼藏 or Zhengfa Yanzang (read in Japanese as Shobogenzo) . Also, probably Dōgen just wanted to use that word in particularJundo will correct me if I am wrong here . ( Thanks Ryumon for the motivation to go do some digging on the topic. Gassho )
Sorry for running a bit long
Sat today
Last edited by Bion; 02-18-2023 at 09:43 PM.
Bion
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When you put Buddha’s activity into practice, only then are you a buddha. When you act like a fool, then you’re a fool. - Sawaki Roshi
Just use whatever vegetables you have, without disparaging their quality.
gassho
ds sat today
Visiting priest: use salt
A Goodish Book for a Buddhist Cook...I was just wondering why this isn’t called, in Japanese, the Tenzogenzo…
Gassho
Kokuu
Originally Posted by Shōnin Risa Bear
Just use whatever vegetables you have, without disparaging their quality.
gassho
ds sat today
The ingredients of my life. Some days a culinary delight. Other days harder to swallow.
Gasshō
Seiko
stlah
Gandō Seiko
頑道清光
(Stubborn Way of Pure Light)
My street name is 'Al'.
Any words I write here are merely the thoughts of an apprentice priest, just my opinions, that's all.
It was meant to be a joke… :-)I want to say cause 教訓( kyōkun ) has the shared meaning of both lesson and precept, or moral teaching, where 教 is faith, doctrine or teaching and 訓 is instruction or explanation. So it goes beyond just lesson in an academic sense. The genzō in Shohogenzo comes from Daihui’s 正法眼藏 or Zhengfa Yanzang (read in Japanese as Shobogenzo) . Also, probably Dōgen just wanted to use that word in particular
Sorry for running a bit long
Gassho,
Ryūmon (Kirk)
Sat
流文
I know nothing.
Sheesh!I OBVIOUSLY did not get that memo it flew ENTIRELY over my head!
Bion
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When you put Buddha’s activity into practice, only then are you a buddha. When you act like a fool, then you’re a fool. - Sawaki Roshi
well I liked your answer Bion hahaha
gassho
risho
-stlah
I will reply to this when I’m done marinating in my embarrassment
Bion
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When you put Buddha’s activity into practice, only then are you a buddha. When you act like a fool, then you’re a fool. - Sawaki Roshi
Seiko
gassho
ds sat
Visiting priest: use salt
Frankly, I think that we have to go in the other direction, time is money, and we have busy working Zen folks around here. So,
DOGEN-ON-THE-GO! TENZO-IN-TEN!
101 FAST Zen Meals for the Microwave, in 10 minutes or less!
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Set the timer, sit Zazen while it cooks, kill two cats with one stone.
dlt con1.jpeg
(oh, gee, somebody already stole my idea!)
dlt con2.jpeg
Gassho, J
stlah
ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
But also small footnote ...
That is not so. Where did you pick that up bit of information?... The genzō in Shohogenzo comes from Daihui’s 正法眼藏 or Zhengfa Yanzang (read in Japanese as Shobogenzo) ...
The expression "Shobogenzo" (something like "True Dharma Eye Storehouse/Treasury") was a common saying in Zen centuries before either Dogen or Dahui. It is what was traditionally quoted as Buddha's words when Buddha held up the flower and Mahakasyapa smiles in the famous Koan. It refers to the essence of the Buddha's realization and teaching:
I possess the Treasury of the Correct Dharma Eye , the wonderful heart-mind of Nirvana, the formless true form, the subtle Dharma gate, not established by written words, transmitted separately outside the teaching. I hand it over and entrust these encouraging words to Kashyapa.
Both Dahui and Dogen happened to take the reference as titles for some of their writings, but there is little chance that Dogen would have based his title selection on anything that Dahui wrote, assuming that Dogen even knew the work.
Now ... time for lunch.
Gassho, Jundo
stlah
Last edited by Jundo; 02-19-2023 at 01:07 AM.
ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
No no.. I meant the usage of the same kanji for the titles of both Dahui’s collection of Koans and Dogen’s. Carl Bielefeldt suggests Dogen might have picked up the title from him.
Enjoy lunch!!
Bion
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When you put Buddha’s activity into practice, only then are you a buddha. When you act like a fool, then you’re a fool. - Sawaki Roshi
Yes, that suggestion ... and a couple of other things that Carl Bielefeldt says in his "Dogen's Manuals of Zen Meditation" ... are "half-baked."No no.. I meant the usage of the same kanji for the titles of both Dahui’s collection of Koans and Dogen’s. Carl Bielefeldt suggests Dogen might have picked up the title from him.
Enjoy lunch!!
. There, Bielefeldt writes:
It is surprising that the good doctor does not mention that the term comes centuries before from the Flower Sermon.The practice of making [Koan] collections was, of course, a common one among Sung Ch'an authors, who used them as an opportunity to offer their own interpretations and appreciations of the wisdom of the elders. Indeed the fact that Dogen styled his effort "Shobo genzo" suggests that he had as his model a similar compilation of the same title by the most famous, of Sung masters, Ta-hui Tsung-kao.
Dr. Bielefe-it-or-not, who is something of a revisionist historian, was trying to "stir things up" with some of his comments in that book, and I find them lacking in ingredients sometimes.
Gassho, J
stlah
Last edited by Jundo; 02-19-2023 at 01:45 AM.
ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
Ah! Gotcha! Thanks for clarifying. That man almost made me a liar
Bion
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When you put Buddha’s activity into practice, only then are you a buddha. When you act like a fool, then you’re a fool. - Sawaki Roshi
No, never a liar. His point was simply not fully digested.Ah! Gotcha! Thanks for clarifying. That man almost made me a liar
Gassho, J
stlah
ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
Tenzogenzo is catchy. Maybe if Dōgen had chosen that name it would have been a New York Times bestseller
“A Goodish Book for a Buddhist Cook...” is the subtitle.
Tairin
Sat today and lah
泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods
I’ll never be able to think of it as anything but tenzogenzo now.
Gassho
st
hobo kore dojo / 歩歩是道場 / step, step, there is my place of practice
Aprāpti (अप्राप्ति) non-attainment
I had no idea one could use granite countertops as a zabuton. Seems I've been missing out on all the comfort ^_^Frankly, I think that we have to go in the other direction, time is money, and we have busy working Zen folks around here. So,
DOGEN-ON-THE-GO! TENZO-IN-TEN!
101 FAST Zen Meals for the Microwave, in 10 minutes or less!
dlt con3.jpeg
Set the timer, sit Zazen while it cooks, kill two cats with one stone.
dlt con1.jpeg
(oh, gee, somebody already stole my idea!)
dlt con2.jpeg
Gassho, J
stlah
Gassho,
Shujin
sat today
Forgive me if this comment is redundant, but, if you haven't read it , Roshi Bernie Glassman's commentary, "Instructions for the Cook," is a great read.
Sat this morning.
Gassho!
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