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    Sept. 16-17th Treeleaf Weekly Zazenkai - Is the Universe Beautiful and Good?


    Please sit our Treeleaf Zazenkai for 90 minutes with Zazen, Heart Sutra and more:

    10am Japan Saturday morning, NY 9pm, LA 6pm Friday night, London 2am and Paris 3am Saturday morning, or any time thereafter here:


    However, "one way" live sitters are encouraged to come into the Zoom sitting, and just leave the camera and microphone turned off: Join live (with or without a camera & microphone) on Zoom at: TREELEAF Now OR at DIRECT ZOOM LINK, password (if needed): dogen

    00:00 – 00:15 CEREMONY (HEART SUTRA in English) and Dedication
    00:15 – 00:45 ZAZEN
    00:45 – 00:55 KINHIN
    00:55 – 01:25 ZAZEN
    01:25 – 01:30 VERSE OF ATONEMENT & FOUR VOWS
    01:30 - 01:45(?) Informal Tea Time (All Welcome)

    ATTENTION: Everyone, when rising for Kinhin or Ceremonies after Zazen, get up slowly, don't rush, hold something stable, you won't be "late," so TAKE YOUR TIME! Make sure you are careful getting up!

    Gassho, Jundo

    SatTodayLah



    PS - There is no "wrong" or "right" in Zazen ... yet here is a little explanation of the "right" times to Bow (A Koan) ...


    Chant Book is here for those who wish to join in: CHANT BOOK LINK

    The other video I mention on Zendo decorum is this one, from our "Always Beginners" video Series:

    Sit-a-Long with Jundo: Zazen for Beginners (12) - Basic Zendo Decorum At Home
    https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/show...093#post189093

    I also recommend a little Talk on why small rituals and procedures are so cherished in the Zendo:

    SIT-A-LONG with Jundo: Small Things in the Zendo

    https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/show...s-in-the-Zendo
    Last edited by Jundo; 09-16-2022 at 07:36 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    Looking forward to this, as usual! Mokugyo and bells ready. Thanks, Jundo!

    Sat lah
    Bion
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    Lovely as always to sit with you all.

    Bion, thank you for your Ino work today.

    Gassho,
    Nengyoku
    Sat
    Thank you for being the warmth in my world.

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    Thank you, Jundo, Bion, and everyone. My mind is boggled by the talk (in a good way). I will look at the forest and the trees, but still struggle to experience myself as the universe. I feel for others, but the identification isn't complete.

    Sorry for running over three sentences.

    Gassho,
    Onkai
    美道 Bidou Beautiful Way
    恩海 Onkai Merciful/Kind Ocean

    I have a lot to learn; take anything I say that sounds like teaching with a grain of salt.

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    Thank you all! Love you much!

    Sat Today lah
    Bion
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    Thankyou everyone. Sat on catch up.

    Paul
    Sat, LAH

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    Thank you all!
    Gassho, Kiri
    Sat/Lah
    希 rare
    理 principle
    (Nikos)

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    Thank you Jundo, Bion and everybody for this Weekly Zazenkai.
    As always, sat with you all across space and time.

    Mateus
    Satlah

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    Thank you Jundo, Bion, and everyone. Lovely to sit with everyone last night

    Metta to you and your family during this hard time, Sekishi

    Gassho,

    Bokugan
    SatToday
    墨眼 | Bokugan | Sumi Ink Eye
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    Yesterday at Zanzenkai, during the first three bows, I did three full prostrations. Is this okay to do? I see in the instructional video that this is only a deep standing bow. I take it that this is what I should be doing. The full prostrations are what I am used to doing in another Soto tradition, so I will have to change this. Also, at the end, I notice there are no full prostrations as I am used to also. Thank you in advance for clarification of this.

    Gassho,

    Bill (Wondo)

    Sat Today
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    Sept. 16-17th Treeleaf Weekly Zazenkai - Is the Universe Beautiful and Good?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wondo View Post
    Yesterday at Zanzenkai, during the first three bows, I did three full prostrations. Is this okay to do? I see in the instructional video that this is only a deep standing bow. I take it that this is what I should be doing. The full prostrations are what I am used to doing in another Soto tradition, so I will have to change this. Also, at the end, I notice there are no full prostrations as I am used to also. Thank you in advance for clarification of this.

    Gassho,

    Bill (Wondo)
    I usually do three prostrations as well! I look at it this way: if I am physically able to and feel so inclined, I will respectfully prostrate. We have folks who can’t offer but a deep bow or a gassho, because of physical limitations, and that is no less than a full prostration in my book, in those circumstances, and I am sure that’s how Jundo feels as well. I learned from him

    Sat Today lah


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bion View Post
    I usually do three prostrations as well! I look at it this way: if I am physically able to and feel so inclined, I will respectfully prostrate. We have folks who can’t offer but a deep bow or a gassho, because of physical limitations, and that is no less than a full prostration in my book, in those circumstances, and I am sure that’s how Jundo feels as well. I learned from him

    Sat Today lah


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    Bion,

    Thank you friend. Thank you for your clarification. Do we do three at the end as well? I respect that no matter how it is physically done, with the right intention it is always a full bow
    Gassho,
    Bill
    Sat Today
    Last edited by Daiman; 09-18-2022 at 12:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wondo View Post
    Bion,

    Thank you friend. Thank you for your clarification. Do we do three at the end as well? I respect that no matter how it is physically done, with the right intention it is always a full bow
    Well, our ceremonies are a bit simpler than your standard Soto-shu in some ways, so for zazenkai there’s really just two sets of bows or prostrations: at the beginning after the incense offering and then after the eko (dedication of merit) hope I’m not forgetting anything I was looking for you during zazenkai but couldn’t see you!!

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    Bion, So I can do three full at the beginning and three at the end? I was there, William McCracken is my name.

    Gassho,
    Bill
    Sat Today
    Last edited by Daiman; 09-18-2022 at 12:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wondo View Post
    Bion, So I can do three full at the beginning and three at the end? I was there, William McCracken is my name.
    I usually do them Especially if I am wearing the okesa. Jundo will reply to you, I am sure. I just wanted to share with you what I do.

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    Thank you everyone!

    Gassho
    Kantai
    Sat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bion View Post
    I usually do three prostrations as well! I look at it this way: if I am physically able to and feel so inclined, I will respectfully prostrate. We have folks who can’t offer but a deep bow or a gassho, because of physical limitations, and that is no less than a full prostration in my book, in those circumstances, and I am sure that’s how Jundo feels as well. I learned from him

    Sat Today lah


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    That's right. If you wish to fully Prostrate, then please do. But we really do not measure the depth of the physical bow as much as the sincerity of feeling in the heart.

    We do tend to be minimalists of ceremony, and simplifiers of things down to the heart, around here.

    Gassho, J

    STLah
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    Thank you everyone. I sat with all of you this morning.

    Lovely talk Jundo. It meant a lot to me today.


    Tairin
    Sat today and lah

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    Reflecting back on this week's Zazenkai and re-reading through The Zen Master's Dance (doing my best to keep my commitment of re-reading this during Ango), I came across this passage where the theme of Zazenkai and the dance intersect again

    I like to remind people that, when they smile or cry, it is the whole universe smiling and crying. So take care of what is before you. This is where practice begins and where enlightenment is made real and brought to life. Each small act that you do, if appreciated as sacred and complete, is thoroughly undertaken as the whole universe.~ Jundo -The Zen Master's Dance
    Such a beautiful reminder that right here in this place and this time is where the whole universe manifests, it is not some other place. Only here, only now. "The happy places and sad places..." as Jundo goes on to say. Like Barry Magid has said that if our human lives are like the blooming of a lotus flower, we need the mud in order to grow and flourish. We cannot get there by some water purification process.

    Gassho,

    Bill

    Sat Today/LAH

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    That's right. If you wish to fully Prostrate, then please do. But we really do not measure the depth of the physical bow as much as the sincerity of feeling in the heart.

    We do tend to be minimalists of ceremony, and simplifiers of things down to the heart, around here.
    A short bow to that, thank you Jundo

    Gassho, Tomás
    Sat&LaH

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    Lovely! Thank you all!

    Gassho
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    Feel free to message me if you wish to talk about issues around practicing with physical limitations. This is something I have been sitting with for a fair while and am happy to help with suggestions or just offer a listening ear.

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