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    'The ZEN of EVERYTHING! Podcast' ... Episode 60 ... Animals

    Even listen to podcasts in moderation ... except this one, of course!

    Episode 60 ... Animals

    Jundo and Kirk examine whether Pink Floyd's 1977 album Animals deserves a critical reappraisal. And they talk about animals, sentience, and eating meat (or not).
    THE LINK: https://www.zen-of-everything.com/60


    For more about the podcast, where to send your serious or silly questions ...

    https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/show...-ON-THE-AIR%21

    You can also sign up by RSS, or hear it many places such as Spotify and Apple Podcasts (follow the links above).

    Gassho, Jundo

    SatTodayLAH
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jundo View Post
    Even listen to podcasts in moderation ... except this one, of course!

    Episode 60 ... Animals



    THE LINK: https://www.zen-of-everything.com/60


    For more about the podcast, where to send your serious or silly questions ...

    https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/show...-ON-THE-AIR%21

    You can also sign up by RSS, or hear it many places such as Spotify and Apple Podcasts (follow the links above).

    Gassho, Jundo

    SatTodayLAH
    Just listened to it. Very good.

    Gassho, Jishin, __/stlah\__

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    Life itself is the only teacher.
    一 Joko Beck


    STLah
    安知 Anchi

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    ah nice podcast - thank you

    Gassho

    Risho
    -stlah

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    Thanks Jundo & Kirk on a most excellent episode. Shine on you crazy Diamonds. (Wish You Were Here is in my top three all time list).

    Gassho
    STlah
    Shoki

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    Kaidō (皆道) Every Way
    Washin (和信) Harmony Trust
    ----
    I am a novice priest-in-training. Anything that I say must not be considered as teaching
    and should be taken with a 'grain of salt'.

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    Update on “does a dog have a Buddha nature“ : Animals have been formally recognised as sentient beings in UK law thanks to the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill introduced in parliament on 13 May 2021.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inshin View Post
    Update on “does a dog have a Buddha nature“ : Animals have been formally recognised as sentient beings in UK law thanks to the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill introduced in parliament on 13 May 2021.
    Not so fast...

    First of all, it hasn't passed yet.

    https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/2867

    Second of all, it's merely creating a "committee"

    "A Bill to make provision for an Animal Sentience Committee with functions relating to the effect of government policy on the welfare of animals as sentient beings."

    Third, it only applies to vertebrates:

    "(1) In this Act “animal” means any vertebrate other than homo sapiens."

    Just saying...

    [Edit]

    Oh, one more thing. It refers to section 1(5) of the Animal Welfare Act 2006 which says:


    1Animals to which the Act applies

    (1)In this Act, except subsections (4) and (5), “animal” means a vertebrate other than man.

    (2)Nothing in this Act applies to an animal while it is in its foetal or embryonic form.

    (3)The appropriate national authority may by regulations for all or any of the purposes of this Act—

    (a)extend the definition of “animal” so as to include invertebrates of any description;

    (b)make provision in lieu of subsection (2) as respects any invertebrates included in the definition of “animal”;

    (c)amend subsection (2) to extend the application of this Act to an animal from such earlier stage of its development as may be specified in the regulations.

    (4)The power under subsection (3)(a) or (c) may only be exercised if the appropriate national authority is satisfied, on the basis of scientific evidence, that animals of the kind concerned are capable of experiencing pain or suffering.

    (5)In this section, “vertebrate” means any animal of the Sub-phylum Vertebrata of the Phylum Chordata and “invertebrate” means any animal not of that Sub-phylum.



    None of this defines sentience in any way or says that animals are sentient, to be honest. But it does mention, in (4) above, that scientific evidence that animals experience pain or suffering is the criterion.

    So do slugs experience pain or suffering? They are not an animal of the Sub-phylum Vertebrata of the Phylum Chordata. What about insects? Does a dog really have Buddha nature? Mu.

    Gassho,

    Ryūmon

    sat
    Last edited by Ryumon; 11-04-2021 at 10:41 AM.
    流文

    I know nothing.

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    Yes, you have found the answer to the Koan:

    A monk asked the priest Jōshū, “Does a dog have buddha nature, or not?” Jōshū replied, “That's in committee."

    Gassho, J

    STLah
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jundo View Post
    Yes, you have found the answer to the Koan:

    A monk asked the priest Jōshū, “Does a dog have buddha nature, or not?” Jōshū replied, “That's in committee."



    aprapti

    sat

    hobo kore dojo / 歩歩是道場 / step, step, there is my place of practice

    Aprāpti (अप्राप्ति) non-attainment

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