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Thread: Greatest Hits #2 - The Best Zen is so Disappointing - Celebrating Treeleaf's 15th

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    Greatest Hits #2 - The Best Zen is so Disappointing - Celebrating Treeleaf's 15th

    Sorry everyone it didnít take long for our Greatest Hits to be disappointing!

    In another classic Jundo talk, he takes away all the mystery, high hopes and leaves us pretty disappointed in zenís ability to fix any of the ills in our life. Or even to at least make us feel great while we are sitting for the day.

    Jundo even points out that ďcounter-intuitive as it may seem, a Sangha or Teacher which meets all the student's expectations, golden dreams, ideals and desires too would be a disserviceĒ

    So not only do we not get peaches and cream, but we should be prepared for rough spots.

    Itís a wonder any of us stayed around for Treeleaf to get to itís 15 year anniversary with that rosie outlook!



    The original post can be found here:
    https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/show...=disappointing


    Do you remember when you first heard this talk or the same message from Jundo?

    Gassho,
    Shoka
    (she/her)
    sat/lah

    PS - Yes, I do find myself punny :P
    香道 笑花
    Kodo Shoka

    Please don't take anything I say as anything more than just a normal person's thoughts on the topic. I'm just stumbling through life trying to be helpful, but really don't know much.

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    I never compliment Jundo on his Dharma talk. There are good things and bad things about each talk. There are good talks and bad talks. Jundo is human and he can get sick like you and me. There is no magic in Zen, and there is no whim wham in Jundo. Give me a break! You are human too. And you just might be making a mistake here!
    Gassho
    sat/ lah
    Tai Shi


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    "Nothing is so beautiful as spring--/ When weeds in wheels, shoot long and lovely and lush: Thrush eggs look little low heavens, and thrush/ Through the echoing timber does not rise and wring/ The ear it strikes like lightening to hear him sing;.." Hopkins

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    When I viewed this video for the first time, it encouraged me to keep a regular practice, even with the ups and downs I felt with it. I was glad to have found a teacher who presented the practice this way. The interactions of an online zendo are different than the interactions in person, and this teaching helped me navigate this way of relating. To acknowledge that the practice and the teachers are very ordinary is grounding. Maybe I'm not disappointed enough, but I don't mind that. :=) Sorry to go over three sentences.

    Gassho,
    Onkai
    Sat/lah
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    On (Warm)
    Kai (Sea)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tai Shi View Post
    I never compliment Jundo on his Dharma talk. There are good things and bad things about each talk. There are good talks and bad talks. Jundo is human and he can get sick like you and me. There is no magic in Zen, and there is no whim wham in Jundo. Give me a break! You are human too. And you just might be making a mistake here!
    Gassho
    sat/ lah
    Tai Shi
    Tai Shi gets it!
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    This is a lesson I remind myself of frequently.


    Tairin
    Sat today and lah
    泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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    Jundo,

    I strive to be more like you Your kindness, tolerance and acceptance of iimperfection are role models.

    Doshin
    St

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    Perhaps, expect nothing

    want nothing

    Accept everything

    Gassho

    Dick

    Sat/lah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doshin View Post
    Jundo,

    I strive to be more like you Your kindness, tolerance and acceptance of iimperfection are role models.

    Doshin
    St
    Hah! My wife and kids might disagree sometimes.

    Gassho, J

    STLah
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    Thank you Jundo for everything you do for us!!!
    Gassho sat
    lah
    Tai Shi


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    "Nothing is so beautiful as spring--/ When weeds in wheels, shoot long and lovely and lush: Thrush eggs look little low heavens, and thrush/ Through the echoing timber does not rise and wring/ The ear it strikes like lightening to hear him sing;.." Hopkins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Perhaps, expect nothing

    want nothing

    Accept everything

    Gassho

    Dick

    Sat/lah


    Gassho,
    Onkai
    Sat/lah
    On (Warm)
    Kai (Sea)

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