Thank you. I feel that this "no goal" aspect is very much misunderstood. Here was my response in that thread.
https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/show...l=1#post241661
Yes, there are times to sit without goal at all, such as during Zazen or Kinhin, when our only goal is to sit to sit, walk this walk. If riding the bus and practicing there ... ride to just ride. As the bus moves forward, there is no place to go!
However, if we truly had no goal, we could not function. I have goals all day, from pick up the kids at school to go to the gym to dust the house.
Much better is to learn to experience life two ways at once as one, not one not two: Namely, goals AND goallessness AT ONCE! Climbing, working, planning, multi-tasking, striving ... yet also just this and this and this, here and here and here, experienced back and forth as if seeing the world two (not two) different ways.
Gassho, J
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