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    Oryoki revival?

    Hello everyone, I was wondering if there are any plans to revive the Oryoki practice? I've been thinking that even once a month, maybe around full moon or new moon might be a good time to come together? I'm a complete novice having practised for the first time during Ango and I'm now keen to keep up a regular practice.
    Incidentally, I've also been thinking about tea ceremony too as I would really love to learn the basics and wondered if anyone else would be interested.
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    Hello Meitou,

    That sounds like a wonderful idea.

    I am usually available Sunday mornings PST. Is there a time that would work for those interested?

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    I am interested, anytime Sunday morning would usually work for me.

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    i would be interested, but i am not very good in this time schedule business. I think 9 o'clock in the morning PST would be 6 o'clock in the evening CET. That would fit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Meitou View Post
    Hello everyone, I was wondering if there are any plans to revive the Oryoki practice? I've been thinking that even once a month, maybe around full moon or new moon might be a good time to come together? I'm a complete novice having practised for the first time during Ango and I'm now keen to keep up a regular practice.
    I try to eat an oryoki meal at least once a month, usually on the day after the long Zazenkai. I used do it on the full moon Uposatha day observance, but over time it just seemed to make more sense to make Uposatha the long Zazenkai day (e.g. the long Zazenkai starts the day of observance, it ends the following sundown) instead of the full moon. Its corny / goofy I guess, but it works for me.

    Anyhow, it sounds like there is at least some interest in a Sunday oryoki get-together. Count me in!

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    Thank you for the post, Meitou.
    I am very interested to participate in this on Sundays. Time flexible.

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    I'm in the same time zone as Aprapti,( and possibly Washin?) and that's a time that would work well for me. Shugen, I've been assuming that you would be happy to lead us in this, as you did during Ango - am I being too presumptious? As I said, I'm a novice and need someone to be out there leading me as I find it quite difficult to bring it all together - I spend most of my time dropping my utensils as I try to juggle reading the instructions with carrying them out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meitou View Post
    I'm in the same time zone as Aprapti,( and possibly Washin?) and that's a time that would work well for me. Shugen, I've been assuming that you would be happy to lead us in this, as you did during Ango - am I being too presumptious? As I said, I'm a novice and need someone to be out there leading me as I find it quite difficult to bring it all together - I spend most of my time dropping my utensils as I try to juggle reading the instructions with carrying them out

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    I would be happy to!

    Thank you for the opportunity to be of service!

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    I am new as well and I have never done Oryoki practice. I would be interested in a monthly time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shugen View Post
    I would be happy to!

    Thank you for the opportunity to be of service!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekishi View Post
    I try to eat an oryoki meal at least once a month, usually on the day after the long Zazenkai. I used do it on the full moon Uposatha day observance, but over time it just seemed to make more sense to make Uposatha the long Zazenkai day (e.g. the long Zazenkai starts the day of observance, it ends the following sundown) instead of the full moon. Its corny / goofy I guess, but it works for me.

    Anyhow, it sounds like there is at least some interest in a Sunday oryoki get-together. Count me in!

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    I like your arrangement Sekishi - perhaps the Sunday after the monthly long zazenkai would be a good regular date, what does everyone else think? Would that suit you Shugen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meitou View Post
    I like your arrangement Sekishi - perhaps the Sunday after the monthly long zazenkai would be a good regular date, what does everyone else think? Would that suit you Shugen?
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    That would be the first Sunday of the month (generally).

    The second Sunday of the month would work better if that would be acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shugen View Post
    That would be the first Sunday of the month (generally).

    The second Sunday of the month would work better if that would be acceptable.

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    That's fine with me, yes.
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    would be fine..



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    Works for me!

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    So does that mean we would meet tomorrow, or should we wait until next month?
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    Hi Meitou,

    Tomorrow is the 3rd Sunday of the month for me and I have family visiting. I think we should wait until next month. Or, if you would like, we can meet next Sunday. (The 24th)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shugen View Post
    Hi Meitou,

    Tomorrow is the 3rd Sunday of the month for me and I have family visiting. I think we should wait until next month. Or, if you would like, we can meet next Sunday. (The 24th)

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    I'm also happy to wait until next month, it's a date! Thanks Shugen.
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    Awesome! Just saw this thread today. Count me in with a tentative yes. Will discuss it with the family today to see if I can work it into our schedule. Approximately how much time will be needed? Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoyu View Post
    Awesome! Just saw this thread today. Count me in with a tentative yes. Will discuss it with the family today to see if I can work it into our schedule. Approximately how much time will be needed? Thank you.

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    Hello Hoyu,

    Usually about a half an hour.

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    So, are we meeting the second Sunday of March?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheyenne View Post
    So, are we meeting the second Sunday of March?
    That is the plan!

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    Sounds great thank you all.

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    Thank you. I look forward to being with all of you in March.

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    Do we have a time in mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheyenne View Post
    Do we have a time in mind?
    I am thinking 8AM PST, 11AM EST.

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    Which would be 5.00pm central EU time I believe. Perfect, thank you Shugen.
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    i am afraid the 11th of March is not going to work for me..


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    Just a note for folks in the US (and elsewhere) - March 11 at 2am is when daylight savings begins, so be mindful of local clock wobbles...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekishi View Post
    Just a note for folks in the US (and elsewhere) - March 11 at 2am is when daylight savings begins, so be mindful of local clock wobbles...

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    Thank you for the reminder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekishi View Post
    Just a note for folks in the US (and elsewhere) - March 11 at 2am is when daylight savings begins, so be mindful of local clock wobbles...

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    Hi. Just saw this thread. I am very interested. I typically work on Sundays. Would it be recorded by any chance? If not, that's cool too. Either way we take the meal together.
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    Oryoki revival?

    Hello Entai,

    I won’t be recording but if you would like, I have some availability on other days. Perhaps we can add another day. What day would work for you and is anyone else interested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Entai View Post
    Hi. Just saw this thread. I am very interested. I typically work on Sundays. Would it be recorded by any chance? If not, that's cool too. Either way we take the meal together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shugen View Post
    Hello Entai,

    I won’t be recording but if you would like, I have some availability on other days. Perhaps we can add another day. What day would work for you and is anyone else interested?

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    Fridays and Saturdays work well for me. I could try to work out Sunday but it would take some creative juggling.

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    I think I'll be better off trying to work out the Sunday afterall. Apparently my work schedule is turning into chaos in a few weeks. Or into a different form of chaos anyway. Haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Entai View Post
    I think I'll be better off trying to work out the Sunday afterall. Apparently my work schedule is turning into chaos in a few weeks. Or into a different form of chaos anyway. Haha
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    Let me know if something changes.

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    I'll be trying to join as well from Norway (CET). My main experience with oryoki is a stressful one, with the fear (and reality) of doing it "wrong" during a sesshin. There were quite a few novices during that sesshin, so I didn't feel alone in my ordeal ;-)
    In any case, I can see that after you master the movements it becomes just like kinhin a very nice zazen without the "za". So, I want to learn...

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    btw, as it seems that daylight savings in different places of the world is in the mix, am I correct that the date is:
    Sunday 4PM GMT (Greenwich Mean Time, which has no daylight savings)?

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    I believe, with the time change, that would be correct.

    Someone should double check. I am notorious for being bad at this sort of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bram View Post
    btw, as it seems that daylight savings in different places of the world is in the mix, am I correct that the date is:
    Sunday 4PM GMT (Greenwich Mean Time, which has no daylight savings)?
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    Hi guys,

    Is it this Sunday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoseki View Post
    Hi guys,

    Is it this Sunday?

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    It is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shugen View Post
    It is!

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    Thank Shugen,

    I'm interested in participating. I'm going to look for some bowls when I go home. I'm pretty sure I bought some for this purpose sometime ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoseki View Post
    Thank Shugen,

    I'm interested in participating. I'm going to look for some bowls when I go home. I'm pretty sure I bought some for this purpose sometime ago.

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    It doesn't need to be fancy. Whatever works.

    I'll post a couple of links that might be helpful about materials and with a general overview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shugen View Post
    It doesn't need to be fancy. Whatever works.

    I'll post a couple of links that might be helpful about materials and with a general overview.

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    Awesome thanks!

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    Just one more confirmation of time, you said 8 AM Pacific? And you will be on daylight savings, correct? (That would make it 11 AM on DST here in NY)

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    Oh phooey I just realized I will probably be driving my older daughter back to college that day. Perhaps I can participate in the car if my husband takes first shift driving, wouldn't that be funny? Traveling Oryoki.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakuden View Post
    Oh phooey I just realized I will probably be driving my older daughter back to college that day. Perhaps I can participate in the car if my husband takes first shift driving, wouldn't that be funny? Traveling Oryoki.

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    That sounds challenging!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakuden View Post
    Just one more confirmation of time, you said 8 AM Pacific? And you will be on daylight savings, correct? (That would make it 11 AM on DST here in NY)

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    Yep

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    Hello all,

    Here is a nice overview Jundo did a few years ago:


    And here is a link to creating an "at Home" Oryoki set:



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    Here is a video of the first meeting of the Oryoki circle I did a couple of years ago. It has some additional information as well:


    And here are a couple of documents:

    This is the chants that we will be doing - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7J...ZNMktteHM/view

    And this is a document that provides some measurements if you would like to make your own set - http://terebess.hu/zen/szoto/oryoki-instructions.pdf

    If you don't have everything that is perfectly fine! We will do the best we can with what we do have.

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