Zazen and earworms

[Kaishin]

I just came across this blog entry by Hyon Gak Sunim (itinerant Korean-school Zen monk) that touches on earworms. Relevant bit starts a few paragraphs down (starting And it is not just limited), but the whole entry is interesting.

http://cloud-path.tumblr.com/post/15...rms-of-reading

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[Jakuden]

I just came across this blog entry by Hyon Gak Sunim (itinerant Korean-school Zen monk) that touches on earworms. Relevant bit starts a few paragraphs down (starting And it is not just limited), but the whole entry is interesting.

http://cloud-path.tumblr.com/post/15...rms-of-reading

-satToday

Wow this is actually a great read in general, thank you!
Gassho,
Jakuden
SatToday

[Geika]

Thanks you. I like Hyon Gak.

Gassho, sat today

[Beakon]

This is why I joined. To get help with these kinds of problems. I hear one-liners from Futurama, lil' diddies in my head, and repetitious memories of arguments. What I learned from playing a song over and over is my mood is...

It can be 'different' depending on the song.

[Jundo]

I hear one-liners from Futurama.

Ah, yes. Bender Buddha ...



Gassho, J

SatToday

[Getchi]

Jundo, thankyou; now that image keeps floating up!

Kaishin, excellant blog post, i just re-read it three times and then caught myself with a laugh. I will endeavour to put down the menu.

Jishin; Oki is one of my personal favs, the kids arent so fussed though so i wait till they are at school

And to my ear-worms; thankyou for reminding me that im still human, and for the very direct experience of my ordinary mind!


Gassho,
Geoff.

SAtToday.

[Ugrok]

This blog post is fun but isn't it missing the point ? I mean, the guy is avoiding listening to music because it would stain his oh so pure meditation ; i thought that in zen we didn't avoid nor cling to anything. Music playing in your head is not a problem when in zazen !

Gassho,

Uggy,
Sat Today

[Jundo]

This blog post is fun but isn't it missing the point ? I mean, the guy is avoiding listening to music because it would stain his oh so pure meditation ; i thought that in zen we didn't avoid nor cling to anything. Music playing in your head is not a problem when in zazen !

Gassho,

Uggy,
Sat Today

Hi Uggy,

Hyon Gak Sunim is from a Korean Rinzai, Koan Introspection style. So, a different way from Shikantaza.

Gassho, J

SatToday

[Beakon]

Ah, yes. Bender Buddha ...



Gassho, J

SatToday

Namo Benderya Buddhasa

Namo Benderya Buddhasa

Namo Benderya Buddhasa

So, is there a thread about the differences between Rinzai and Soto Zen? It must be a tall order to explain to Westerners.

[Geika]

I really don't think the point of the post was to instruct an avoidance of music. I really think it is simply a matter of how and why Hyon Gak feels about it. It disrupts his personal style, and that is up to him.

Gassho, sat today

[Getchi]

I personally feel its also a demonstration of dependant arising.

The memory itself is unavoidable, the circumstances of its advising leads to our discrimination; good or bad?

None of this is seperate, none is under our control.

Since we canno t even possession our own minds, why get upset by it?

This IMO is why shikantaza is first among st equals for mediation.


None of this is anything other then an opinion, I've travel led from ThaiForest tradition to here via vajrayuga and by far its the hardest method for me due to boredom and wandering mind while Sitting.

I'm much more fulfill ed learning Do gen method.

Gassho Jundo
For give my misunderstanding s


Ge off
Sat today.

[Kaishin]

I really don't think the point of the post was to instruct an avoidance of music. I really think it is simply a matter of how and why Hyon Gak feels about it. It disrupts his personal style, and that is up to him.

Gassho, sat today

+1

[Jishin]

CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/03/health...udy/index.html

Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

[Screature]

Hi!
I have a way of "getting rid" of earworms that's never failed me. Supposedly we can't get rid of earworms because they're repetitive and our brains love repetition. We don't let it go because we're waiting for closure, an ending. If you know the ending to a tune/song/earworm, hear that in your mind. End it, give it closure, and the earworm is finished. Even if you don't know how a song or tune is supposed to end and you have the chorus going around in your mind, come to the end of the verse, then imagine some ending; a chord, a few words, fading volume, whatever it takes to end it.
Goodbye earworm, hello non-thinking :-)

Gassho,
Mike

[Hoko]

Couldn't resist...
Gassho,
Hōkō
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[Risho]

hahahahahahhahah

[Kotei]

Ooookay,
this old one scrolled through my g+ stream prior to sitting :-( ;-)



Gassho,
Kotei sattoday.

[Jakuden]

Ooookay,
this old one scrolled through my g+ stream prior to sitting :-( ;-)



Gassho,
Kotei sattoday.

Hahahaha I knew what that was without even playing it. Yep stuck in my head already.
Gassho
Jakuden
SatToday


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[Billy]

Ooookay,
this old one scrolled through my g+ stream prior to sitting :-( ;-)



Gassho,
Kotei sattoday.

This will make a quite awesome earworm! Thank you!

Gassho,
SatToay
Billy

[Nengei]

I have been living with an earworm for days. While I have them from time to time, and they may persist for a day or two, this one just keeps going. It has been most noticeable, of course, when sitting. I am trying not to let it be bothersome to me, but it is trying for me. When sitting, I am able to let it go for a few seconds by coming to the now; I'm not sure whether to just let it play or to keep working on stopping it.

Something that I notice: turning the earworm off when sitting, even for a moment, is an effort. It is like putting my hand in a stream to block the flow of water. It works for a few seconds, then the water just finds its way around my hand and goes on, not caring that I am trying to stop it. I get the same results with simply coming back to the moment and the sensations around me, with focusing on my breath, and with counting breaths. I suppose I can just let it do its thing and in a few days it will go away. It's not quite at the PLEASE-SOMEBODY-MAKE-IT-STOP stage yet.

If anyone is interested, it is this song:

Gassho,
然芸 Nengei
Sat today. LAH.
You deserve to be happy.
You deserve to be loved.

[Jishin]

Hi,

Try loving your worm to death. Invite her in for tea and then lock the door. Tell her she can’t go. Tell her that you need her to stick around. Tell her that you are bored. Ask her to sing for you. Then will sing for her. Every time she begins to sneak out grab her and tell her no no no. Tell her you love her. At some point in time you won’t be able to keep an eye on her around the clock and she will jump out the window never to be seem again.

Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

[Jakuden]

I have been living with an earworm for days. While I have them from time to time, and they may persist for a day or two, this one just keeps going. It has been most noticeable, of course, when sitting. I am trying not to let it be bothersome to me, but it is trying for me. When sitting, I am able to let it go for a few seconds by coming to the now; I'm not sure whether to just let it play or to keep working on stopping it.

Something that I notice: turning the earworm off when sitting, even for a moment, is an effort. It is like putting my hand in a stream to block the flow of water. It works for a few seconds, then the water just finds its way around my hand and goes on, not caring that I am trying to stop it. I get the same results with simply coming back to the moment and the sensations around me, with focusing on my breath, and with counting breaths. I suppose I can just let it do its thing and in a few days it will go away. It's not quite at the PLEASE-SOMEBODY-MAKE-IT-STOP stage yet.

If anyone is interested, it is this song:

Gassho,
然芸 Nengei
Sat today. LAH.
You deserve to be happy.
You deserve to be loved.

Oh great movie. We are going to see Hugh Jackman in NYC in June, I’m excited! I don’t invite my ear worms in, but I don’t chase them out, either. Sometimes the monkeys get annoyed but they are just monkeys
Gassho
Jakuden
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[Rich]

What’s the song?

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[Victor]

This happened to me just last night during zazenkai! It was a song I don't even particularly like lol. "Bartender"

[Kyonin]

Lots of metal for me. Maybe a little too much Blind Guardian.

I usually let the full song play in my mind and then it fades away.

Gassho,

Kyonin
Sat/LAH

[Kenshou]

Hi,

Try loving your worm to death. Invite her in for tea and then lock the door. Tell her she can’t go. Tell her that you need her to stick around. Tell her that you are bored. Ask her to sing for you. Then will sing for her. Every time she begins to sneak out grab her and tell her no no no. Tell her you love her. At some point in time you won’t be able to keep an eye on her around the clock and she will jump out the window never to be seem again.

Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

This is actually really easy for my latest earworm.
I recently taught my 3 year old son the theme song of my favourite (Aussie rules) football team. He sings it at random times (such as bed time) with such enthusiasm it plays on repeat for days, if not weeks in my head.
Ask him to sing it and nearly every time get met with response of "not right now Daddy, maybe later".

Gassho

Kenshou

Sat today / LAH

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