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  1. #151
    Just watched first video for beginners. The best explanation/demonstration of what meditation is all about that I have ever heard.
    Thank You.

  2. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Landrew View Post
    Just watched first video for beginners. The best explanation/demonstration of what meditation is all about that I have ever heard.
    Thank You.
    It is all downhill from there!

    Gassho J

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  3. #153
    Thank you so much for this teaching series! I'm on either 5 or 6 and find them both informative and also rather entertaining! Well thought out and the message sticks! I look forward to learning with you all and sitting together!

  4. #154
    Just finished the Beginnerís Series. Iíve sat everyday since I joined Treeleaf in January, but not everyday Iíve watched and read the series (sometimes I forgot, sometimes I was in a hurry so just sat).
    Thank you for this, Jundo. I second Landrew: it is the best explanation of zazen Iíve encountered.
    Gassho,
    Mateus
    Sat today

  5. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by mateus.baldin View Post
    Just finished the Beginner’s Series.
    Of course, being a "beginner" never ends on this Path too, even when we are very very experienced and no longer a "beginner" at all ...

    ... and also being a "no beginner no ender" never ends, of begins for that matter. (A Koan)

    Gassho, J

    STLah
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

  6. #156
    Hello all! I do have a question about my home "Zendo."

    I do not have a room I can dedicate fully to my Zen practice. I kind of just use a small area in a corner of my den. Unfortunately it is a bit messy in there as we haven't been able to find good places yet to get everything unpacked and cleaned up, so this makes for even less space. When I walk around the contour of the room, does this even include walking around the contour left by the current cluttered state of the room?

    Also, a question about my zafu. My zafu doesn't have its own place where it stays. For now I keep it under my altar table so my cat can't lay on it or puke on it. I also hope this will keep the dog from peeing on it if the dog is misbehaving. That said, will this be ok, or will I have to adjust that? I tend to either sit in front of my altar or I move the zafu to a blank wall and then sit. Are there any suggestions for how I could do this in a more proper way, taking my situation into account?

  7. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Hello all! I do have a question about my home "Zendo."

    I do not have a room I can dedicate fully to my Zen practice. I kind of just use a small area in a corner of my den. Unfortunately it is a bit messy in there as we haven't been able to find good places yet to get everything unpacked and cleaned up, so this makes for even less space. When I walk around the contour of the room, does this even include walking around the contour left by the current cluttered state of the room?

    Also, a question about my zafu. My zafu doesn't have its own place where it stays. For now I keep it under my altar table so my cat can't lay on it or puke on it. I also hope this will keep the dog from peeing on it if the dog is misbehaving. That said, will this be ok, or will I have to adjust that? I tend to either sit in front of my altar or I move the zafu to a blank wall and then sit. Are there any suggestions for how I could do this in a more proper way, taking my situation into account?
    Hey Victor,

    When you walk around the clutter, when you walk around the contour of the tiny room, you are walking around the universe. We practice in all areas of life, whether big or small, it is all good practice. =)

    As for the zafu, life can brings ups and downs; accidents and the like ... even to our zafus. But we do try our best to take care and maintain them as best we can. Where ever you sit, that is the place for your zafu. In time you will have a dedicated place, but if in the meantime you need to move it about to care for it ... that is all good. =)

    Gassho
    Shingen

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  8. #158
    Thank you so much! I will remember it!

    Gassho

  9. #159
    Today, I started putting insta-zazen into practice. It is simultaneously simple and difficult for sure! I tried maintaining the state of zazen while washing dishes. It worked well for a while, until life started happening and my wife and daughter started asking me for things :P

    Such is life, and the value of this practice is not at all diminished
    "Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train"-Ueshiba Morihei

  10. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by Jundo View Post
    Of course, being a "beginner" never ends on this Path too, even when we are very very experienced and no longer a "beginner" at all ...

    ... and also being a "no beginner no ender" never ends, of begins for that matter. (A Koan)

    Gassho, J

    STLah

    Mateus
    Sat today/LAH

  11. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Today, I started putting insta-zazen into practice. It is simultaneously simple and difficult for sure! I tried maintaining the state of zazen while washing dishes. It worked well for a while, until life started happening and my wife and daughter started asking me for things :P

    Such is life, and the value of this practice is not at all diminished
    Life happening and your wife and daughter asking for things --is-- Shikantaza too. Why is such moment different from sitting or washing dishes?

    We sit each day facing a wall to realize such fact.

    (That is also the reason I banged a big "disturbing" gong during last weekend's Zazenkai .... Have a listen (59:00 mark) ...



    Gassho, J

    SYLah
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

  12. #162
    Hi everyone, I just watched the talk "Sit-a-Long with Jundo: Zazen for Beginners (6)" and I think it is the most important point ever: I always thought Buddhism as a passive religion and never fully agree because I think we should act to improve our own situation and the world. But now I finally understand !!! I have read dozens of books on Zen but never saw/understood this point. I thank you very much for Mr. Jundo and the sangha for this teaching. It changed me.

  13. #163
    I want to thank you again, Jundo-sensei. These lessons have been a blessing for me. I finally saw the final video today and will definitely review them all from time to time as solid reminders!
    "Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train"-Ueshiba Morihei

  14. #164

    LEssons

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I want to thank you again, Jundo-sensei. These lessons have been a blessing for me. I finally saw the final video today and will definitely review them all from time to time as solid reminders!
    I have just finished video 6 in the beginner series. I have been sitting for many years and I am enjoying learning all that Jundo has to say. These lessons really are insightful and helps me to cultivate beginners mind. Looking forward to the rest of them.

    Thank You Jundo and the Tree Leaf Sangha,

    Gassho,

    Brad

    Sat Today

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    Re: Lesson 3
    Thank you Jundo.
    I have spinal disabilities and have to date metaphorically beaten myself up because I couldn't 'sit' Zazen properly. Depending on the day I 'sit' Zazen either in a chair or lying down. I will try it reclining and standing to see how that goes.
    Thanks again Jundo. The Treeleaf Sangha member who suggested I visit Treeleaf gets a huge virtual hug from me for their recommendation. After only being a member for a week or so I have regained my belief that sometime in the future I may indeed be able to take/receive the Precepts despite my physical limitations.
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  16. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Ak36 View Post
    Re: Lesson 3
    Thank you Jundo.
    I have spinal disabilities and have to date metaphorically beaten myself up because I couldn't 'sit' Zazen properly. Depending on the day I 'sit' Zazen either in a chair or lying down. I will try it reclining and standing to see how that goes.
    Thanks again Jundo. The Treeleaf Sangha member who suggested I visit Treeleaf gets a huge virtual hug from me for their recommendation. After only being a member for a week or so I have regained my belief that sometime in the future I may indeed be able to take/receive the Precepts despite my physical limitations.
    Anna

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    Anna, the sitting is "proper" when the heart is at home in "sitting" (reclining etc.) such way, and the secret to that is between one's own ears. lf one feels at home, then one is at home.

    Gassho, J

    STLah
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

  17. #167
    Hello

    I have a question about sitting shikantaza.
    Almost every time when I'm sitting, my left thumb hurts. Mainly the left joint hurts. Sometimes i am not able to stay my hands in this position.
    Do you have any ideas what i am making wrong? Or what i can do better?

    Thank you very much for your help!

    Gassho
    John

    Sat today

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    John,

    I don't know if you are doing anything wrong, but it sounds like one of your left joints might be having some trouble. If it hurts, perhaps maybe a check up at the doctor to make sure that there isn't some underlying issue?

    Gassho

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  19. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by Geika View Post
    John,

    I don't know if you are doing anything wrong, but it sounds like one of your left joints might be having some trouble. If it hurts, perhaps maybe a check up at the doctor to make sure that there isn't some underlying issue?

    Gassho

    Sat today, lah
    Hey John,

    I echo what Geika is sayin here.

    Be well.

    Gassho
    Shingen

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    RINDO SHINGEN
    倫道 真現

  20. #170
    Hello

    Thank you for your fast answers.

    There is no long time, that a doctor checked it. There is nothing.
    When I get relex, it stop hurting. But it is difficult to relax for me.

    A folded cloth under my handis stabilitizong my hands. And then it gets better. I tried just now for one Zazen-period.
    Do you think thats a good idea? Can i use a folded colth?

    Gassho
    John

    Sat today
    Last edited by silence; 06-04-2019 at 08:19 PM.

  21. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by silence View Post
    Hello

    Thank you for your fast answers.

    There is no long time, that a doctor checked it. There is nothing.
    When I get relex, it stop hurting. But it is difficult to relax for me.

    A folded cloth under my handis stabilitizong my hands. And then it gets better. I tried just now for one Zazen-period.
    Do you think thats a good idea? Can i use a folded colth?

    Gassho
    John

    Sat today
    Hey John,

    Sometimes when we are holding our hand mudra we are also unconsciously holding it too tight or firm. Have you tried a couple different hand positions to see if it helps?

    This is the Soto tradition that we do here ...

    hand 2.jpg

    Here is a Rinzai style ...

    hand 3.jpg

    And here is an example of relaxing the thumbs ... (maybe give this one a try and see if it helps relax the thumbs).

    hand 1.jpeg

    Also, it is find it you want to add a blanket or some support on your lap for your hands to rest.

    Let us know how you get along. =)

    Gassho
    Shingen

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  22. #172
    Hi John,
    Good that you already saw a doctor. We cannot reject professional help when needed. But as he found nothing wrong...
    I think that if helps you with your pain, it is OK to use a folded cloth in your lap. I myself already did the same when my back was hurting a lot that I couldnít bring my hands together without pain between the shoulders. Perhaps it has something to do with the strength with which you are doing the mudra, or the overall position of your body. Iím constantly experimenting small variations in my positioning (even during a sit) in order to avoid pain. I think there is nothing wrong with it, but our veterans and teachers can certainly guide you better than me.
    Gassho,
    Mateus
    Sat/LAH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jundo View Post
    Anna, the sitting is "proper" when the heart is at home in "sitting" (reclining etc.) such way, and the secret to that is between one's own ears. lf one feels at home, then one is at home.

    Gassho, J

    STLah
    Jundo
    May I ask how I should have my hands while doing Zazen both standing and lying down.
    Anna.

    ST/LAH

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  24. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by Ak36 View Post
    Jundo
    May I ask how I should have my hands while doing Zazen both standing and lying down.
    Anna.

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    Hi Anna,

    I echo what others have said. Our usual position (Mudra) of the hands during Zazen is this, and I bet that you are just too forceful, and not relaxed, in holding your fingers lightly together.

    The hands should be like Suzuki Roshi here ... very light, low pressure, not too loose or too tight ...



    The hands should rest in the lap, not be up in the air or on the chest. It is okay to put cloths, a small towel or pillow under the hands if they don't rest in the lap nicely. (Sometimes I see folks who hold it high up on the chest or resting on their pot belly, and I don't recommend that usually).

    The whole sitting posture of the entire body should be upright and balanced, but relaxed and nice ... not too lose or too tight.

    Our other main hand position is for walking Kinhin (walking Zazen) called Shashu, held in the middle of the chest while walking.



    There is a little more description in our Guide to Basic Sitting (PDF) which I sent you in the "Welcome" email.

    https://sites.google.com/site/jundot...edirects=0&d=1

    I have some early arthritis in my fingers, so I can empathize.

    Gassho, Jundo
    Last edited by Jundo; 07-25-2019 at 07:00 PM.
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    I'm afraid you answered John's question Mundo not mine.
    Respectfully, Anna
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  26. #176
    They are so many good ideas!
    Thank you very much for your help.

    Gassho
    John

    Sat today

  27. #177
    Just finished sitting after Lesson 3. I have been watching a lesson each night before I sit, though I did the order as 1,2,4,3 so far (because I had less time last night and saved the longer lesson I skipped over for tonight).

    Jundo,

    Thank you greatly for the teaching. In Lesson 3 you mentioned the siatic nerve as a source of tingling/numbness - tonight I sat Burmese for the first time for zazen (I have always sat Half-Lotus). Usually my top leg will go numb after 15-20 minutes. Not a game-stopper during zazen at all but the standing up when finished, yikes! I found Burmese very comfortable, and I will be trying it some more in my sitting. Even so, tonight BOTH legs went probably 75% numb. Having tried this and had that result, and after watching the video, I think I have narrowed my search for the issue causing the numbness now. I have always sat with a small rectangular, stiff, kapok filled meditation cushion. In Burmese, I think my knees relaxed more into the floor which put more pressure on both of my legs, and that nerve, over the edge of my cushion. I am going to find a traditional round zafu (probably buckwheat filled) soon and see how that goes. I think the softer zafu without the harsh edges pressing into my legs may help.

    Gassho
    Kendrick
    SatToday and LAH

  28. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by Kendrick View Post
    Just finished sitting after Lesson 3. I have been watching a lesson each night before I sit, though I did the order as 1,2,4,3 so far (because I had less time last night and saved the longer lesson I skipped over for tonight).

    Jundo,

    Thank you greatly for the teaching. In Lesson 3 you mentioned the siatic nerve as a source of tingling/numbness - tonight I sat Burmese for the first time for zazen (I have always sat Half-Lotus). Usually my top leg will go numb after 15-20 minutes. Not a game-stopper during zazen at all but the standing up when finished, yikes! I found Burmese very comfortable, and I will be trying it some more in my sitting. Even so, tonight BOTH legs went probably 75% numb. Having tried this and had that result, and after watching the video, I think I have narrowed my search for the issue causing the numbness now. I have always sat with a small rectangular, stiff, kapok filled meditation cushion. In Burmese, I think my knees relaxed more into the floor which put more pressure on both of my legs, and that nerve, over the edge of my cushion. I am going to find a traditional round zafu (probably buckwheat filled) soon and see how that goes. I think the softer zafu without the harsh edges pressing into my legs may help.

    Gassho
    Kendrick
    SatToday and LAH
    Yes, experiment, experiment ... hard and soft, round, high or low Zafu, sitting a bit more forward or back, looser pants, shifting weight a bit when the symptoms start.

    Please report back what you find the key for your body. I bet the square cushion is a cause.

    Gassho, Jundo

    STLah
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

  29. #179
    Hi guys

    I just finished watching episode 3 of the beginners course, regarding how to sit. Is there a particular reason why one cant sit cross-legged?

  30. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Weaver View Post
    Hi guys

    I just finished watching episode 3 of the beginners course, regarding how to sit. Is there a particular reason why one cant sit cross-legged?
    Hey Dean,

    If one sat in the standard cross legged position, with the one foot tucked under the leg that foot would fall asleep for one. Second, it actually doesn't create a solid balanced foundation, as they hips will be tilted to the one side.

    Have you tired to Burmese position? You can see it in the top right.

    meditation-poses.jpg

    Gassho
    Shingen

    Sat/LAH
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  31. #181
    It is my intent to review all the videos in order. I have been just sitting Shikantaza for five years this coming October, and I am but a novice. I believe I am running on my own autopilot. It is time to review. The hand pictures were most helpful because I have severe arthritis in my spine which has moved out into my hands. I am 67 so less strength is predictable, but now I think can relax into hand positions that help me. I have discovered a method of dual support in a straight back chair, back against chair, left shoulder against wall such that I am supported into proper posture without strain on my spine. Since the spine is the location of most of my pain especially neck, I can let my breath happen without so much work and allow nostrils without mouth to breathe. In group computer sits, It's best that I sit before screen in an office chair with arms, so I don't fall out of the chair on my left. All this is for older, and disabled members.

    Tai Shi
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    Gassho
    "We cannot enjoy life if we spend a lot of time worrying about what happened yesterday and what will happen tomorrow." Thich Nhat Hanh

  32. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by Jundo View Post
    Yes, experiment, experiment ... hard and soft, round, high or low Zafu, sitting a bit more forward or back, looser pants, shifting weight a bit when the symptoms start.

    Please report back what you find the key for your body. I bet the square cushion is a cause.

    Gassho, Jundo

    STLah
    Jundo,

    I received my new zafu and zabuton a few days ago. I chose to try a traditional round, buckwheat hull stuffed zafu and thicker kapok filled (but soft) zabuton. I have been sitting mostly Burmese now as well. These changes have helped tremendously! I barely get any tingling or numbness going on now and what minor bit may occur goes away immediately upon standing (no long lasting numbness of rush of sensation/pain when I get up now). I removed a bit of fill from the zafu after my first zazen with it and that improved it for me too.

    I was able to sit my first Zazenkai tonight without pain thanks to the changes. Thank you!

    Gassho /\
    Kendrick
    SatTonight/LAH

  33. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by Kendrick View Post
    Jundo,

    I received my new zafu and zabuton a few days ago. I chose to try a traditional round, buckwheat hull stuffed zafu and thicker kapok filled (but soft) zabuton. I have been sitting mostly Burmese now as well. These changes have helped tremendously! I barely get any tingling or numbness going on now and what minor bit may occur goes away immediately upon standing (no long lasting numbness of rush of sensation/pain when I get up now). I removed a bit of fill from the zafu after my first zazen with it and that improved it for me too.

    I was able to sit my first Zazenkai tonight without pain thanks to the changes. Thank you!

    Gassho /\
    Kendrick
    SatTonight/LAH
    Hello Jundo, I have what is called a Buddhist chair cushion, from Amazon, and it is a wedge, larger side facing out from legs places back against strait back chair such that with proper distance feet to floor, back against chair easily, and as I said a Buddhist chair cushion, $40, my wife helped me purchase. I think it may come from a Buddhist supply company or even a monastery. It has been helpful on my back bottom side. I believe with left shoulder supported, I sit proper chair formation, and from Bring the Sacred to Life, the daily practice of Zen Ritual, John Daido Loori, Shambhala. 2008, I am beginning to learn much. I highly recommend this little book-- 122 pages--

    Gassho
    sat
    Tai Shi
    "We cannot enjoy life if we spend a lot of time worrying about what happened yesterday and what will happen tomorrow." Thich Nhat Hanh

  34. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Kendrick View Post
    Jundo,

    I received my new zafu and zabuton a few days ago. I chose to try a traditional round, buckwheat hull stuffed zafu and thicker kapok filled (but soft) zabuton. I have been sitting mostly Burmese now as well. These changes have helped tremendously! I barely get any tingling or numbness going on now and what minor bit may occur goes away immediately upon standing (no long lasting numbness of rush of sensation/pain when I get up now). I removed a bit of fill from the zafu after my first zazen with it and that improved it for me too.

    I was able to sit my first Zazenkai tonight without pain thanks to the changes. Thank you!

    Gassho /\
    Kendrick
    SatTonight/LAH
    Good!

    Gassho, J

    STLah
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

  35. #185
    I have a question about protocol / correct form when sitting Zazen seiza style - either using the Zafu or a bench.

    I am one of the least flexible people on the planet and I gave up trying to sit any other way than seiza back in the 90s. What I do currently is that I follow the steps as outlined in Video 12 except that rather than sit and rotate I just kind of climb up on my Zafu like an Ox climbing over a rock. Not very elegant.

    I have tried sitting, rotating and then re-arranging but it feels a little cumbersome, and how would that even work with a bench?

    So I was wondering if there is a correct form for settling into the seiza position at the beginning of Zazen.

    Gassho, Shinshi

    SaT-LaH
    空道 心志 Kudo Shinshi
    I am just a priest-in-training, any resemblance between what I post and actual teachings is purely coincidental.

  36. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinshi View Post
    I have a question about protocol / correct form when sitting Zazen seiza style - either using the Zafu or a bench.

    I am one of the least flexible people on the planet and I gave up trying to sit any other way than seiza back in the 90s. What I do currently is that I follow the steps as outlined in Video 12 except that rather than sit and rotate I just kind of climb up on my Zafu like an Ox climbing over a rock. Not very elegant.

    I have tried sitting, rotating and then re-arranging but it feels a little cumbersome, and how would that even work with a bench?

    So I was wondering if there is a correct form for settling into the seiza position at the beginning of Zazen.

    Gassho, Shinshi

    SaT-LaH
    Hi,

    I would say that, since this is not really a traditional form of sitting, but rather a lovely posture that has become common in recent decades for those with physical need, that you are free to create your own new "tradition."

    Perhaps you can consider how to get seated practically, but also with some eye for being as balanced and graceful as possible in moving. I leave it to you. Also, add as many of the traditional elements as possible, such as Gassho toward the wall and room, turning always clockwise, fluffing the cushion with the two fingers and thumb of each hand ...

    All traditions of the past started just so.

    Gassho, J

    STLah
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

  37. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Jundo View Post
    Hi,

    I would say that, since this is not really a traditional form of sitting, but rather a lovely posture that has become common in recent decades for those with physical need, that you are free to create your own new "tradition."

    Perhaps you can consider how to get seated practically, but also with some eye for being as balanced and graceful as possible in moving. I leave it to you. Also, add as many of the traditional elements as possible, such as Gassho toward the wall and room, turning always clockwise, fluffing the cushion with the two fingers and thumb of each hand ...

    All traditions of the past started just so.

    Gassho, J

    STLah
    Thank you Jundo. I do follow all the other traditional steps when I sit. I will see if I can come up with something at least a little graceful - but really isn't one of my areas of strength.

    Gassho, Shinshi

    SaT-LaH
    空道 心志 Kudo Shinshi
    I am just a priest-in-training, any resemblance between what I post and actual teachings is purely coincidental.

  38. #188
    I am enjoying the talks in Shikantaza meditation videos, something I am already familiar with doing. What I really enjoyed in particular so far, was the blender noise in the first video, then the hammer analogy in the second one. These made me laugh, but they are so realistic about how a beginner actually needs to get the point of understanding how their mind has been operating throughout the day. If I ever get an opportunity to teach meditation again, I would certainly use these tools!

  39. #189
    I was wondering if anyone knows where to find a particular video Jundo had done years back titled "What's Next.."? I really enjoyed it and wanted to share it with my ango partner.

    Gassho, Kyotai
    ST
    I am a student at Treeleaf. Please take what I say with a grain of salt. Gassho

  40. #190
    Ah, a classic for sure! Here it is Kyotai:

    https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/show...ll=1#post71930

    Gassho
    Byokan
    sat + lah
    Please take my words with a big grain of salt. I know nothing. Wisdom is only found in our whole-hearted practice together.

  41. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Byokan View Post
    Ah, a classic for sure! Here it is Kyotai:

    https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/show...ll=1#post71930

    Gassho
    Byokan
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    Thank you so much Byokan!

    Kyotai
    ST
    I am a student at Treeleaf. Please take what I say with a grain of salt. Gassho

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