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    How do you think of our Zen manner?

    When we do practice or not,when we sit Zazen or not.


    How do you think of Zen manner?
    禅の礼儀についてどう思いますか?


    Do we have a reason to obey our manner or not?
    And why do you think so?


    I want to hear your opinion.




    Dear Jundo.Please fix my word,if my english is not good.

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    Hi Mr. K.

    I assume you mean to follow our traditions, rituals and forms, right?

    I think we have very important reasons to follow our zen manners. First there is tradition even if most of us are not Japanese, there is a really nice feeling when we do ceremonies or play a mokugyo. It feels good and makes us feel united to the teachers and practitioners in all times.

    Then there's discipline. Breaking the ego and sit, do zazenkai, chant or learn oryoki give us better attention to the present moment and make our brains shine!

    And lastly there's life. When we go about our jobs and family life, we carry our zen manners all the time. We slowly become more aware of other living beings, we open our hearts to compassion and service, and I have found that we try to keep peace and harmony. At least in my case.

    My English is terrible at this time in the morning. Please let me know if you can't understand

    Gassho,

    Kyonin
    #SatToday
    Hondō Kyōnin
    奔道 協忍

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    Quote Originally Posted by Konan View Post

    Dear Jundo.Please fix my word,if my english is not good.
    Hi Mr. K.,

    I believe by "禅の礼儀" you mean the manners and propriety of Zen Practice.

    I believe that many of the rituals and traditional physical movements of Zen (such as in traditional Oryoki eating) are a powerful way to lose one's small self, all to find oneself again.

    But sometimes people can become very obsessive and compulsive about it too. So, excess tightness is not good, excess looseness is not good. Relaxed balance is best.

    Also, no, I do not think that it is always necessary. Sometimes it is good to throw all the propriety away, and just sit, just be. I came across this yesterday, from a couple of years ago ... my daughter was much smaller then.



    Gassho, J

    SatToday
    Last edited by Jundo; 10-16-2015 at 03:54 PM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyonin View Post
    Hi Mr. K.

    I assume you mean to follow our traditions, rituals and forms, right?

    I think we have very important reasons to follow our zen manners. First there is tradition even if most of us are not Japanese, there is a really nice feeling when we do ceremonies or play a mokugyo. It feels good and makes us feel united to the teachers and practitioners in all times.

    Then there's discipline. Breaking the ego and sit, do zazenkai, chant or learn oryoki give us better attention to the present moment and make our brains shine!

    And lastly there's life. When we go about our jobs and family life, we carry our zen manners all the time. We slowly become more aware of other living beings, we open our hearts to compassion and service, and I have found that we try to keep peace and harmony. At least in my case.

    My English is terrible at this time in the morning. Please let me know if you can't understand

    Gassho,

    Kyonin
    #SatToday
    Kyonin-san Thank you very much.

    We have a some manners such like when we have a Oryoki bowl have by 3 finger...
    And when we sit Zazen we must without moving and eye open...
    And when we do Kinhin we comunicate carefully our neighbour and keep their to distance...

    When I do such things,for me my brain is very carefully and feel conecting outside everything.
    But such like this is,manner for our Soto-Buddhism,but other people is not having this manner.
    And I feel always on Antaiji,newcomer is not knowing about it and not studying about it and not carefully seeing neighbour...

    I am said by Muho,as a hard practition, so I do it and became carefully more and more,sometimes I will be anger of such a thing.

    I am worry about this anger and I want to know ..How do I think about my direction to hard practice,,,

    I did not say this thing.. I feel very confortable as a hard praction like Muho,, but sometimes I became tired about too much keep manner..

    I want ask for TreeLeaf member again.How do you think of our Zen manner?

    When I sometimes feel with newcommer from neighbour country,they think that just Zen and Zazen is simple and cool...
    Last edited by Kakunen; 10-17-2015 at 06:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyonin View Post
    Hi Mr. K.

    I assume you mean to follow our traditions, rituals and forms, right?

    I think we have very important reasons to follow our zen manners. First there is tradition even if most of us are not Japanese, there is a really nice feeling when we do ceremonies or play a mokugyo. It feels good and makes us feel united to the teachers and practitioners in all times.

    Then there's discipline. Breaking the ego and sit, do zazenkai, chant or learn oryoki give us better attention to the present moment and make our brains shine!

    And lastly there's life. When we go about our jobs and family life, we carry our zen manners all the time. We slowly become more aware of other living beings, we open our hearts to compassion and service, and I have found that we try to keep peace and harmony. At least in my case.

    My English is terrible at this time in the morning. Please let me know if you can't understand

    Gassho,

    Kyonin
    #SatToday
    Kyonin-san Thank you very much.

    We have a some manners such like when we have a Oryoki bowl have by 3 finger...
    And when we sit Zazen we must without moving and eye open...
    And when we do Kinhin we comunicate carefully our neighbour and keep their to distance...

    When I do such things,for me my brain is very carefully and feel conecting outside everything.
    But such like this is,manner for our Soto-Buddhism,but other people is not having this manner.
    And I feel always on Antaiji,newcomer is not knowing about it and not studying about it and not carefully seeing neighbour...

    I am said by Muho,as a hard practition, so I do it and became carefully more and more,sometimes I will be anger of such a thing.

    I am worry about this anger and I want to know ..How do I think about my direction to hard practice,,,

    I did not say this thing.. I feel very confortable as a hard praction like Muho,, but sometimes I became tired about too much keep manner..

    I want ask for TreeLeaf member again.How do you think of our Zen manner?

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    禅の方法は 禅の方法です。何も欠けています。

    Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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    Hello,

    Zen way is the Zen way.
    Nothing is missing .

    Well said. Thank you.


    Gassho
    Myosha sat today
    "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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    To practice Zen manners is to practice all of life.
    To be impatient with difficult practice is also to be impatient with our work, our family, and ourselves.
    Manners and life take time to learn and we are all still children in some ways.
    Gassho,
    Sierra
    SatToday

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    "Dripping water hollows out a stone, not through force but through persistence" Chinese proverb

    So, while hard training may be necessary for sometimes, persistence will always hollow out the stone.

    It's like an athlete - the more you train your condition improves so the pain and doubt in the beginning doesn't seem so much in the end.

    SAT today
    _/_
    Rich
    MUHYO
    無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

    https://instagram.com/notmovingmind

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    How do you think of our Zen manner?

    Thank you everybody. Difficult to understand about it.Today our Abbot said about manner for newcomer. Not good their manner. At least tomorrow will start hard practition again. At least in Antaiji have a manner .... Because we are practitioner


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jishin View Post
    禅の方法は 禅の方法です。何も欠けています。

    Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_
    This think is fit to philosophy of Zen.
    I am at Zen monastery ,so I can not say such like so,when we keep manner carefully,we have a special situation.

    So I just keep carefully everything.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Konan View Post
    I am at Zen monastery
    人生のすべては、私たちの寺院です。



    Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jishin View Post
    人生のすべては、私たちの寺院です。



    Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_
    I think We have to think more detail.

    Why do we need to without moving in Zazen?

    If we think we can move in Zazen...
    If you do not have question...

    Where do we go?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Konan View Post
    Why do we need to without moving in Zazen?

    Where do we go?
    知ってはいけません。

    Gassho, Jishin, ST

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    Hello,

    知ってはいけません。

    Ain't it truth.


    Gassho
    Myosha sat today
    "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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    Hi all,

    私は日本の話すことはありません

    Neither can I sit still, I lift my teacup with two hands and drink with one mouth.
    I love the manner of Zen, but at the same time I feel it's completely useless.

    deep bows

    Gassho
    Ongen

    Sat Today
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