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    Note on Basic Oryoki Ceremony Structure

    Hi all,
    The following list of 17 parts make up the basic Oryoki ceremony. If you follow this as an aid it might help you practice.
    Gassho
    Myozan

    Skelton Notes for Basic Oryoki Ceremony Structure:

    Open Bowls
    Chants and food served
    Gassho (on 1st); Shashu (on 2nd); Mudra (on 3rd); Hungry Ghost Offering (on 5th)
    “Second this is for our teachers…” : Spoon in & Chopsticks on
    “Thus we eat…” : Bow & Raise bowl
    “The first portion…” : Bowl down
    Eat then Seconds
    Mouth clean sticks then spoon
    Dry clean bowls
    Water service
    Wet clean bowls
    Wash & Dry / Wash in Middle: spoon then sticks & stow
    Utensil opening to left now
    Empty to 3rd bowl but leave some: Drink
    Wash Setsu & stow
    For water collection: hold bowl in lap & chant
    Then wrap bowls
    Last edited by Myozan Kodo; 05-16-2014 at 08:20 AM.

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    Wonderful Myozan, thank you. =)

    Gassho
    Shingen

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    Thank you.


    Gassho,
    Myosha
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    Thank you Myozan!

    Gassho,
    Dosho

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    This is very helpful Myozan - Thank you!

    Gassho
    Yugen

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    Thank you Myozan.
    Gassho,
    Sekishi
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    Thank you!
    If I'm already enlightened why the hell is this so hard?

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    I am sorry but if this is the wrong place I was unsure where to post.
    I purchased a bowl set but it didn't have the chop sticks or spoon. It did have a wrap and four bowls.
    Is this set okay for this "class" if not is there a link to purchase a good set. Also is the class still going on?
    If it is not when will it begin again?
    Gassho
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talib View Post
    I am sorry but if this is the wrong place I was unsure where to post.
    I purchased a bowl set but it didn't have the chop sticks or spoon. It did have a wrap and four bowls.
    Is this set okay for this "class" if not is there a link to purchase a good set. Also is the class still going on?
    If it is not when will it begin again?
    Gassho
    _/\_

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    Hello Talib,

    Yes the bowls you have will work just fine, but you will need a set of chop sticks, spoon, and setsu/spatula.

    oryoki-accessory-black-lacquered-wood-setsu-spoon-and-chopsticks-utensils-for-bowls-free-interna.jpg mid_oryoki.jpg

    This specific class is done, but we are in the works of getting a new class started. So stayed tuned! =)

    Gassho
    Shingen

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    Gassho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talib View Post
    Gassho

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    #sattoday

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    Thank you for this, I will be getting the right equipment to do the Oryoki ceremony soon hopefully.

    Gassho
    James
    Sattoday

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    I don't know about other countries, where maybe Zen is more common.
    Here in Germany it looks as if the few stores carry five bowl sets, which are very luxurious.
    It makes me feel uneasy, eating just enough from bowls many people can definitely not afford.
    Will our new oryoki circle allow for plastic bowls, and maybe a homemade setsu or silicone spatula?

    Gassho,
    Danny
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    Hi Guys,

    There will be more information later, but it is perfectly find to make a set from bowls and ordinary items already in your home and kitchen. No need for fancy-shmancy.

    Gassho, Jundo

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    Also during these ceremonies (specifically in person or on our retreats) I will not have to compromise my vegan diet will I? That would be the only reason I would be hesitant to participate in this practice. (Sorry if the question is stupid)

    Gassho
    James
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cumminjd View Post
    Also during these ceremonies (specifically in person or on our retreats) I will not have to compromise my vegan diet will I? That would be the only reason I would be hesitant to participate in this practice. (Sorry if the question is stupid)

    Gassho
    James
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    Actually, quite otherwise. Traditional Buddhist monastic cooking is vegetarian.

    Gassho, J
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    For consideration when information is being assembled.

    In looking at options there seem to be two choices: very expensive and not-so-expensive. Having tried the not-so-expensive, I returned it because the materials were flimsy. So I followed directions and made my own set. That worked fine except for the sponge part. The material in the sponge added a really noxious taste. Any options for the spatula?

    Gassho
    Meishin
    sat today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meishin View Post
    For consideration when information is being assembled.

    In looking at options there seem to be two choices: very expensive and not-so-expensive. Having tried the not-so-expensive, I returned it because the materials were flimsy. So I followed directions and made my own set. That worked fine except for the sponge part. The material in the sponge added a really noxious taste. Any options for the spatula?

    Gassho
    Meishin
    sat today
    Meishin, have you every looked at a wooden waxing spatula? I know it sounds weird, but it is just the right side and shape, plus it is plain wood with no odour or taste. =)

    https://www.google.ca/search?q=Large...ih=802#imgrc=_

    Also, if you are handy with wood, you can always make one as well. =)



    Quote Originally Posted by Cumminjd View Post
    Also during these ceremonies (specifically in person or on our retreats) I will not have to compromise my vegan diet will I? That would be the only reason I would be hesitant to participate in this practice. (Sorry if the question is stupid)

    Gassho
    James
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    I too am a vegan James and every retreat that I have attended it vegetarian. Also, from my experience, they are very supportive if you have any food allergies as well. =)

    Gassho
    Shingen

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    Thanks Shingen

    Gassho
    Meishin
    sat today

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    I'm looking forward to assembling the necessary utensils. And I'm looking even more to these ceremonies and instruction.

    Elgwyn
    sat today
    Gassho

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    Hi everyone,

    My deepest apologies for not posting here earlier - I am not so mindful sometimes!

    So I talked it over with Jundo last month, and we decided to start the Oryoki circle in the early spring, after Ango and Jukai (maybe aim to start around February 1). If anyone has any feedback, let me know here (or drop me a PM).

    And thank you Shoka for jolting me back awake on this topic! ;-)

    Gassho,
    Sekishi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekishi View Post
    Hi everyone,

    My deepest apologies for not posting here earlier - I am not so mindful sometimes!

    So I talked it over with Jundo last month, and we decided to start the Oryoki circle in the early spring, after Ango and Jukai (maybe aim to start around February 1). If anyone has any feedback, let me know here (or drop me a PM).

    And thank you Shoka for jolting me back awake on this topic! ;-)

    Gassho,
    Sekishi
    This sounds wonderful Sekishi, thank you for taking care and being on top of it for us all. =)

    Gassho
    Shingen

    #justsat

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    I have decided not to go through with Jukai this year. Just not the right time yet.

    Elgwyn
    sat today
    Gassho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elgwyn View Post
    I have decided not to go through with Jukai this year. Just not the right time yet.

    Elgwyn
    sat today
    Gassho
    Not a problem Elgwyn ... when the time is right, it is right. We can still live each moment of each day kind and gentle. =)

    Gassho
    Shingen

    #sattoday

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    Thank you Sekishi!
    Ongen

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    Thank you Sekishi,

    I would like to participate in the Oryoki circle too. By the time it starts I hope my set of bowls will be delivered.
    If not I will proceed with what I have here..(as Jundo suggests "it is perfectly find to make a set from bowls and ordinary
    items already in your home and kitchen. No need for fancy-shmancy.
    ")

    Gassho,
    Sergey

    sat2day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekishi View Post
    And thank you Shoka for jolting me back awake on this topic! ;-)

    Sekishi,

    Happy to help! Also count me in for spring!

    Gassho,

    Shoka
    sattoday

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    With Jundo's reassurance I have decided to go ahead with Jukai, and please see my questions and comments on another page for I am 64 and the time is right. I am committed to Zen (Soto) and Treeleaf. I am at the beginning of the best times of my life.

    Elgwyn
    sat today
    Gassho

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    we decided to start the Oryoki circle in the early spring, after Ango and Jukai (maybe aim to start around February 1)
    Hi all,
    Would like to know if this will still be held in view of the recent changes within the Sangha.
    Thank you.

    Gassho
    Washin
    sat-today
    Last edited by Washin; 02-09-2016 at 12:08 PM.

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    Hello Washin,

    Sorry, let me look in to this and I'll post when I get more information.

    Gassho,

    Shugen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shugen View Post
    Hello Washin,

    Sorry, let me look in to this and I'll post when I get more information.

    Gassho,

    Shugen

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    Hello all,

    We will begin a new Oryoki "class" in about two weeks. Would 9:30am to 10:30am New York City time on Sunday's be a good time for those interested?

    Gassho,

    Shugen

    #sattoday


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    Hi Shugen,

    Please count me in. Sunday any time is ok.
    Thank you.

    Gassho,
    Washin
    just sat

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    You can count me in to as well Shugen. =)

    Gassho
    Shingen

    #sattoday

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