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Thread: Adyashanti's Shikantaza/True Meditation

  1. #51
    Hey Sam, I can only speak for myself, but as many people here have stated, there are millions of teachers, gurus, systems, techniques, and styles all dedicated to achieving enlightenment, waking up, or finding inner peace. This issue is the same in Buddhism as it is in the fitness world. For instance, if you suddenly decided that you wanted to get in shape, what do you do? Crossfit, weightlifting, running, biking, swimming, martial arts, P90X, yoga, or should you train "instinctively" and figure it out yourself? The choices are overwhelming. As overwhelming as when picking a religion or meditation style.

    For many people here at treeleaf, this Shikantaza is not their first taste of "exercising." Many of us practiced in other "styles" before coming here and when we found this we knew it fit for us. To continue my analogy, it is as if we were lifting weights, then went for a run and said to ourselves, man I've really been missing out on this running stuff. However, even if this is your "first" system I would recommend giving it a full and serious tryout because, here is the crux of the issue; there is nothing wrong with being a runner or weight lifter and there is also nothing wrong with a runner occasionally lifting weights or a weight lifter occasionally running. The issue at hand is that if you continually chase the next big thing, the next new system, you will never get fit and you will never get "better" at anything. I have seen thousands of weak and out of shape kids who have jumped from system to system, spending money and time chasing the next "easy way" when if they would have just stuck to a boring program in the beginning, they would have seen real results.

    The same thing holds true for this practice as well. If we at treeleaf ran off chasing every idea that every new user presented, we would never get anywhere. So, as much as I like looking at youtube videos and reading new ideas, in the end I will end up "just sitting" and I will continue to "just sit" until I have sapped everything out of it (if that is possible) before moving on. That's not to say that I won't occasionally twirl around a mala for stress relief while driving, but my main effort is at zazen. And for some reason, if there ever comes a time when I need to set out on my own, I will have a strong base of shikantaza to work from.

    I know my fitness analogy isn't for everyone, but I can't resist using it because I see so many similarities between people searching for spiritual enlightenment and physical enlightenment. I've watched many people endlessly worry about systems, plans, infomercials, and magical techniques, when if they had just done some hard work with a simple basic plan they would have been fit and happy already. So, I don't know much about Adyashanti's "true meditation" just like I don't know much about that "P90X" system on TV. They might both be the best thing ever. But I wouldn't know because I have a run to do and some shikantaza to knock out.


  2. #52
    THAT is where Taigu is at. Teach the Path not your path.

    In gassho Taigu!
    Last edited by Ed; 04-22-2013 at 01:08 PM.
    "Know that the practice of zazen is the complete path of buddha-dharma and nothing can be compared to is not the practice of one or two buddhas but all the buddha ancestors practice this way."
    Dogen zenji in Bendowa

  3. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Andrea1974 View Post

    In his video he describes his awakening as an almost supernatural experience. I am not saying it didn't happen the way he described it, but does enlightenment really happens in a flash (a "matrix-like" experience) or is it a progressive process that brings you all the way back to where you J and T are waaaaaaaay more qualified than me to clarify this point.
    Man, yes, this thread has become a mountain of words. Kyonin says it best ...

    So much knowledge on this post.

    ... I think I'll just go sit.

    Yes, perhaps time to just sit, leaving Adya to Adya.

    However, if I may drop a few more words on the mountain, I want to offer this for Andrea's question and other new folks ...


    Kensho experiences can be light and deep and beyond light or deep. ... HOWEVER, that does not matter because, generally [in Soto folks' typical take], we consider all such experiences as passing scenery ... vantage points ... just a visit to the wonders of the Grand Canyon. One cannot stay there, as lovely or astonishing as it is. Nice and educational place to visit ... would not, should not, could not truly live there. In fact, one can even live perfectly well never having visited the vast Canyon at all. The most important thing is to get on the bus, get on with the trip, get on with life from there. In our Soto Way, the WHOLE TRIP is Enlightenment when realized as such (that is the True "Kensho"!) ... not some momentary stop or passing scene or final destination.

    ... When we realize such ... every moment of the Buddha-Bus trip, the scenery out the windows (both what we encounter as beautiful and what appears ugly), the moments of good health and moments of passing illness, the highway, the seats and windows, all the other passengers on the Bus who appear to be riding with us, when we board and someday when we are let off ... the whole Trip ... is all the Buddha-Bus, all Enlightenment and Kensho, all the "destination" beyond "coming" or "going" or "getting there", when realized (Kensho'd) as such.

    We also realize that this ride is very much what we make it.


    Taigu: To live an awakened life is the point.

    Last edited by Jundo; 04-22-2013 at 02:36 PM.

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  5. #55
    "Mostly harmless." (said by Adam Douglas,famous mute)

    Wonder if Adyashanti's greeting is 'BOOO!'^_^

    Gassho, Edward
    Last edited by Myosha; 04-22-2013 at 09:40 PM. Reason: good manners

  6. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Taigu View Post
    Jundo and I had many awakening experiences and ... This is not the point. To live an awakened life is the point. Any real Zen teacher will tell you that. As to tell you about these experiences, sorry guys, none of your business and certainly not mine as a teacher.



    I wholeheartedly agree Taigu, an awakening experience is nothing, an awakened life is a precious gift. And also.. "The WHOLE TRIP is Enlightenment " I beleive is the truth of the matter.Thanks to you both.
    Gassho, Jakudo
    Last edited by Jakudo; 04-22-2013 at 10:28 PM.
    Gassho, Shawn Jakudo Hinton
    It all begins when we say, I. Everything that follows is illusion.
    "Even to speak the word Buddha is dragging in the mud soaking wet; Even to say the word Zen is a total embarrassment."

  7. #57
    Just to pile on the mountain! I am so looking forward to our bus trip next week this time. We will be going to the Waimea Canyon, the Grand Canyon of Hawaii on Kauai island. We were close to the Grand Canyon twenty years ago when we were in Vegas (on our honeymoon} and drove to the Hoover Dam. I wonder if Buddha will be the bus driver?
    仁道 生開 - Jindo Shokai "Open to life in a benevolent way"
    May all of our actions contribute to the harmony of the universe

  8. #58
    To anyone interested, here is a link of audio book of true meditation (Part 1 and 2 are the book)
    Part 3 has the Guided Meditation

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