Suggested Caring Alert System ...
These words posted by Jinho ...
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What one gets at Treeleaf ... is also a mutual tremendous caring and support which is absent at many sanghas.
... and her being away for several weeks due to losing her computer, brought up something I have thought about for awhile.
From time to time, one of us may be in hospital, have a personal emergency (or move on from this life). The rest of us would have little way to know. So, please consider leaving instructions with a close loved one who might, when they have a moment and things settle, let us know.
Many of us would want to send our love and support, a kind word ... flowers! :D
... and, if suitable, perhaps add a thought for you to our weekly dedication for health and peace, or in our recital of Metta.
These events of life are just what they are, coming and going, no place to go ... but it's nice to have people to care when we're not here.
Gassho, Jundo
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PS - Oh, and if anyone has a friend or close family member whose name or memory they would like to request to be added to our weekly dedication or Metta by the whole community ... just write or post, and I or others in the Sangha would be happy to do so.
PPS- JohnH also made a very good suggestion ...
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Some kind of "buddy" system could work. If members know each other well enough, they could swap contact details. You could start a thread that lists members and their buddy, for example: Chet and Stephanie. If one "goes missing" you can contact the other.
Please feel free to do that here or, when looking for someone, always feel free to start a new thread such as "Hey, has anyone seen Jack? Please PM me if in touch with him"
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What an awesome idea!
Of course, we could just leave that info with you too, if we feel the teacher bond is close enough. Personally, I would have no problem leaving you my address, phone, and my mom's address (from where I could always be located).
Chet
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Good Idea! I'm all for it.
Ron
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Originally Posted by disastermouse
What an awesome idea!
Of course, we could just leave that info with you too, if we feel the teacher bond is close enough. Personally, I would have no problem leaving you my address, phone, and my mom's address (from where I could always be located).
Chet
Yes, that is fine too. But sometimes, none of us may realize that someone is absent (for being in hospital or such) for many weeks, even until after their return.
Remember, around here, it is common for folks to take a time to go off on their own (you have, from time to time, Chet) ... and we do not disturb that. Or, folks simply leave ... and we do not chase after people who wish to try a different way. It is hard to tell the difference between that and someone's being ill or in transition.
So, an "emergency alert" system by a family member has some benefits and such.
Gassho, J
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Originally Posted by Jundo
Remember, around here, it is common for folks to take a time to go off on their own (you have, from time to time, Chet) ... and we do not disturb that. Or, folks simply leave ... and we do not chase after people who wish to try a different way.
Please help me with this one. Often people do not want to be bothered if you don't hear from them in a while, but in my experience, if you don't know they don't want to hear from you, most of the time they appreciate care being offered if you can do it in a way that is free of any of your own agendas, such as working out your own past guilt. That's what I've come to believe anyway. No?
Thanks ... Scott
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Very good idea!!
I have this same arrangement with a very good friend of my in WV, And as you have suggested here, Jundo, we also have an agreement for someone close to us to let the other know whats up if we cannot.
As for bothering each other.. well we have an agreement, as he is a gaming buddy and dear friend( He helped me with my PTSD a ton, as 1st gulf war vet he knew all too well of that stuff the mind deals ya). Anywho we check in every so often if one of us in MIA so to speak. A private message on our gaming board, failing that a quick text message or a phone call. Yeah there are times when were off wrapped up in life and in context here i think it would just make sense to have a little poke to make sure were okay. That said, for folks wishing for some time away and not wanting to participate they could simple change there location in their profile to Away or the like - perhaps consider it kinda like compassion for those who care.
Gassho, Shohei
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Originally Posted by scott
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Originally Posted by Jundo
Remember, around here, it is common for folks to take a time to go off on their own (you have, from time to time, Chet) ... and we do not disturb that. Or, folks simply leave ... and we do not chase after people who wish to try a different way.
Please help me with this one. Often people do not want to be bothered if you don't hear from them in a while, but in my experience, if you don't know they don't want to hear from you, most of the time they appreciate care being offered
if you can do it in a way that is free of any of your own agendas, such as working out your own past guilt. That's what I've come to believe anyway. No?
Thanks ... Scott
Yes, sometimes I drop a short "have not heard from you for awhile, thinking of you, how are you?" if I have not heard from someone in the Sangha for a long while ... But it is our traditional way in Zen not to press too much, not to chase after someone (nor to chase anyone in the door).
For example, we have some regulars in the Sangha taking a little journey right now, needing a little space. It is an old tradition of monks who would wander in and out of the monastery, and take to the hills, at various seasons and times in their lives. It is part of the Practice, in fact.
Gassho, J
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Originally Posted by Jundo
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Originally Posted by disastermouse
What an awesome idea!
Of course, we could just leave that info with you too, if we feel the teacher bond is close enough. Personally, I would have no problem leaving you my address, phone, and my mom's address (from where I could always be located).
Chet
Yes, that is fine too. But sometimes, none of us may realize that someone is absent (for being in hospital or such) for many weeks, even until after their return.
Remember, around here, it is common for folks to take a time to go off on their own (you have, from time to time, Chet) ... and we do not disturb that. Or, folks simply leave ... and we do not chase after people who wish to try a different way. It is hard to tell the difference between that and someone's being ill or in transition.
So, an "emergency alert" system by a family member has some benefits and such.
Gassho, J
I'm not sure if my family is reliable enough or tech-savvy enough to entrust with this - oddly. It's not that they don't care, it's just that they most certainly are not in the loop enough to know that I'm a frequent contributor to an 'online Sangha'. First, I'd have to explain for the umpteenth time what a 'Sangha' is (Me: 'It's like a church, Mom' Mom: 'Buddhist's go to church?' Me: 'No, Mom - it's an online website that functions as a Sangha which is sorta-but-not-really like the Buddhist equivalent of a Church.' Mom: 'How can you have a Church on the internet? You know, I just use email and play solitare on that thing' Me: '*sigh*').
I may be able to entrust my little sister with the task... But she's unlikely to know the ins and outs of my life either. Actually, you all here are just as, if not more likely to know the context of my life as my family. Come to think of it, maybe that needs to be remedied.
I think now that Stephanie is back, I could entrust her with the task...
Chet
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This is a great idea Jundo!
I think my wife would be tech savvy enough to figure out how to get in touch with you if something happened to me, but making a point to have a discussion with her about it is well taken advice.
I encourage everyone to do the same for the more dire emergencies. As for trying to get in touch with people we just haven't heard from in awhile, I'm not as sure how that would be accomplished without possibly treading on some "down time".
I'm just glad this sort of thing gets discussed here. :)
Gassho,
Dosho
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Originally Posted by disastermouse
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I think now that Stephanie is back, I could entrust her with the task...
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Chet
Hi,
Some kind of "buddy" system could work. If members know each other well enough, they could swap contact details. You could start a thread that lists members and their buddy, for example: Chet and Stephanie. If one "goes missing" you can contact the other.
JohnH
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Originally Posted by disastermouse
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I think now that Stephanie is back, I could entrust her with the task...
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Chet
Hi,
Some kind of "buddy" system could work. If members know each other well enough, they could swap contact details. You could start a thread that lists members and their buddy, for example: Chet and Stephanie. If one "goes missing" you can contact the other.
JohnH
This is a very good suggestion, and I will add it to the main post above.
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Hello all,
I also think this is a great suggestion! Not too long ago, I had asked my husband, "If I die suddenly, would you please let my Sangha know?" Of course he first laughed at me then said 'yes'. He know where and how to find you all...
But I do like the buddy system idea too.
Gassho,
Kelly (Jinmei)
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As one that lives over 2000 miles from family that no doubt will not post anything about me here. The buddy system sounds like a very good idea to me as I have had some interesting diagnoses lately and one never knows what will happen.
I do not fear death but I'd rather not leave others wondering what became of me. Trust that while there is breath in this body.. I will find WIFI! :wink:
~Gassho~
LindaW
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Great idea!
i love it!
i will talk to my girlfriend and ask her to do just that in case of emergency.
Gassho, Dojin.
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I think the whole idea of this, is in fact an excellent practice to have, I know that I shall talk to my wife about it and make sure that she can get ahold of the sangha to let yas know, if something comes up...but I also really like the idea of the buddy system as well. The reason for this is, sometimes we are in realtionships or situations where one person may follow this path, while their partner, parent, friend or whoever has been asked may be of another way and not understand why we have made the request and why it would be important to us. So by having the buddy system as well as this, we can be sure that there is someone that can reach us and to get in contact with the sangha and inform everyone of the situation as to whaat is going on with us...thus leaving us with a clear mind for zazen.
A fantastic idea.
Gassho,
Rabbit
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Great idea! Everyone should serriously consider doing this!! I know exactly who I'm going to team up with here(my former Ango partner.....if he is willing :wink: ) and I'll leave detailed instructions with my wife as well.
Gassho,
Hoyu
Emergency Offsite Contacts
Hi all
This arose from something Ishin said on another thread but I thought it needed its own thread rather than be posted there. Perhaps this has already been dealt with as an issue?
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It occurred to me that if something happened to me and I was unable to use a computer, no one here would have any clue where I went or that I was in any way in trouble. Even my wife probably wouldn't know how to inform anyone. Wouldn't it be a good idea for us to be able to at least call people or something if they suddenly are gone?
The same thing has occurred to me on more than one occassion, and after Bobby's recent post it has become even more apparent that is needed.
On a voluntary basis there should maybe be:
1. a list of people to contact should we not hear from a Treeleaf person for a certain period of time (firstly, probably by contacting the member themself on an off-site email, secondly through the email or telephone of a loved one of the member).
2. someone close to us who knows to contact Treeleaf to let them know if we have an accident, are in hospital or (in the worst case scenario) die unexpectedly. Other sanghas I have been part of could also be instructed to hold the appropriate ceremony for a deceased member of the community (to be held in addition to rather than instead of a family funeral). I don't know if that is the case here and if Jundo would want to lead a sangha ceremony in this way.
Anyway, just thoughts and I can't imagine this hasn't already been thought about.
Gassho
Kokuu
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