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Shohei
09-11-2011, 12:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH0VqHrxl_I

Shokai
09-13-2011, 12:37 PM
Taigu-sensei; Thank you

"And the Buddha was happy !"

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Jiki
10-13-2011, 06:00 AM
With much respect,

Can a men sew a Kesa without been ordinated as a monk?
to give it to someone from the sangha,
or to give it to the Sangha itself, (uses for pillars in the zendo)
or just to keep it...

why would I like to sew it?
- to obtain the art of the Kesa and his sewing
(like how it is put together)
- to develop in sewing dots and technique
(the Rakusu is limited)
- to obtain, understand and experience the Kesa dharma
- and just because I like to do it.

why the question?
I did hear that the first Kesa you sew
is the Kesa used for your ordination,
and I also like to hear other opinions about that

extra info:
the Rakusu I wear is not my first, but second Rakusu
the first one i did give away to a Non,
because she needed it, she can not sew it herself
also because we attach ourselves to our first sewing,
and I just like to sew

I am going to ask my Master/Teacher the same question
in the autumn sesshin this November
and also to request permission to have one sewing without ordination.

thank you for reading.
Jiki

Taigu
10-13-2011, 02:53 PM
Kesa is the robe of sitting,
Kesa is the true robe of every single Buddha,
sometimes a kesa can be given to a person outside Jukai or Tokudo,
if you follow the Japanese Soto rules, one cannot
if you follow Buddha's direction, one can
Both are right
in Nyohoe tradition,
The whole universe is already a kesa
you may cover cats, dogs, fools and wise people
with it
no problem


gassho


Taigu

Jiki
10-13-2011, 03:38 PM
thank you for your answer

i could give it to someone already ordinated as a gift
or if he/she needs to replace one, like i did with the Rakusu.

but what about the sewing of the Kesa
can i sew a Kesa without been ordinated as monk
or without planning to do so?

Taigu
10-16-2011, 07:07 AM
In the nyohoe tradition, you may ask for your teacher's permission, namely ask Yuno. Everybody may wear a kesa, but nowdays it is a bit complicated because most Zen teachers in the West follow the Sotoshu rules.

gassho


Taigu

Jiki
10-16-2011, 07:16 AM
...most Zen teachers in the West follow the Sotoshu rules.

And also do Master Yuno..

i will ask him begin November (sesshin)

Thank you Rev.Taigu

Jiki
11-08-2011, 09:45 AM
hello followers,

I have just returned from the sesshin
and there is a great solution for my question:
"sewing a kesa without ordination"

an cermonial kesa (nine band) for a Sangha member
so I can also learn and experience the teachings of the kesa
we talked about ordination itself too
but for that it is to early ( +/-2 years)

I did wear for the first time an kesa,
as a pillar in the zendo,
a rich experience and a immens energy,
it's a lot different from a rakusu
since you are completely wrapped in it.

next sesshin is in February 2012

Thanks for listening

Shokai
11-08-2011, 11:43 AM
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Anshu
10-30-2013, 08:35 PM
Merci Taigu. la couture du Késa est une pratique... comme zazen et bien à prendre comme telle. C'est aussi un bon "moyen" de retrouver l'esprit du débutant pour ceux qui pratiquent zazen depuis longtemps

Gasshô
Anshu-Henri