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Kokuu
04-03-2019, 12:19 PM
I canít speak for other languages, but haiku poetry taught at school in English is almost universally bad. The basic instruction that my thirteen year-old daughter recently received, was that a haiku is a three line Japanese poem comprising seventeen syllables in lines of five, seven and five syllables respectively.

If you are lucky you might get told that it is usually about nature and our relationship with the natural world.

Is this incorrect? Well, not totally but it focusses the attention in completely the wrong direction and misses out several important factors.

It is true that in Japanese, a count of seventeen sound units (morae) are employed in a three-line sequence. However, an English syllable tends to be longer than a Japanese sound unit so English Language Haiku (ELH) written in seventeen syllables often to feel baggy and too long compared to their Japanese equivalents. Moreover, most people writing haiku with the 5-7-5 structure in mind pay far more attention to getting the right number of syllables than forming a good poem. Few modern day ELH poets write in 5-7-5. Some do. Most bad haiku on the internet are written in 5-7-5. The syllable count is often achieved by adding adjectives until the magic seventeen is reached.

The three line structure is also not a good way to think about haiku. It is better understood as a poem of two parts Ė a phrase (two lines usually containing a verb) and a fragment (one line). This can either be fragment-phrase or phrase-fragment. More about this later.

A haiku also isnít a bunch of ideas and concepts. It is essentially a form based on images, often coming from nature. You can include concepts as well as images but just concepts is too heady and not visual enough.

Important note- the plural of haiku is haiku!

Shinshi
04-03-2019, 11:32 PM
[gassholook]

Gassho, Shinshi

SaT-LaH

Washin
04-09-2019, 08:25 AM
gassho1

Washin
sattoday

Hoseki
04-11-2019, 04:07 PM
gassho2

Hoseki
Sattoday

mateus.baldin
04-13-2019, 08:44 PM
I can’t speak for other languages, but haiku poetry taught at school in English is almost universally bad. The basic instruction that my thirteen year-old daughter recently received, was that a haiku is a three line Japanese poem comprising seventeen syllables in lines of five, seven and five syllables respectively.

I'm really glad that people in the US are learning about Japanese Literature in school. Here in Brazil we only learn Brazilian literature, not even Shakespeare or Goethe. So Japanese Literature are for Japanese culture lovers or descendants.


Thank you for bringing up this Haiku Club!


gassho1
Mateus
Sat/LAH

Onka
06-09-2020, 01:53 AM
After my dismal attempt at Haiku, doing exactly what a poor ELH focuses on, I decided that I should actually learn something haha.
Thank you Kokuu for this.
Gassho
Onka
Sat today

RobD
06-09-2020, 03:20 AM
After my dismal attempt at Haiku, doing exactly what a poor ELH focuses on, I decided that I should actually learn something haha.
Thank you Kokuu for this.
Gassho
Onka
Sat today

Onka,

Kokuu's description above is spot on and wonderfully succinct (like a good Haiku!). If you decide to let yourself become further pulled into the world of Haiku, you may also want to check out Lee Gurga's "Haiku: A Poet's Guide".
http://www.modernhaiku.org/mhbooks/gurgaHPG2003.html

It's available via most booksellers (used copies are fairly plentiful as well). There are many great books on Haiku technique out there, but this was one of the first books I read when trying to wrap my head around modern English Language Haiku, and I still feel that it is one of the best for learning about all of the techniques, variations, etc.

Writing Haiku has been a key element of my own practice as I also have a tendency toward being overly verbose (as this post shows). As I like to joke, I did my undergrad and graduate work in Philosophy; I can write a 40-page paper about absolutely nothing without breaking a sweat. [scared] On the other hand, keeping my writing and speech short and to the point is exceptionally difficult for me. The practice of Haiku has helped immensely.

I'm looking forward to reading some of your Haiku if/when you're ready to share. No pressure. ;)


Gassho,
Rob

SatToday

Onka
06-09-2020, 07:59 AM
Thank you.
Gassho
Onka
ST

Juki
06-10-2020, 06:24 PM
birdsong from treetops
tweet, twitter, chirp, cheep, caw
but not a high coo


(sorry, a haiku pun was too much fun to pass up)

Gassho,
Juki

sat today and lah

Kokuu
06-10-2020, 07:43 PM
birdsong from treetops
tweet, twitter, chirp, cheep, caw
but not a high coo

:D