Make Your Own Oryoki Set

[Meitou]

I know I've seen it somewhere, but I just can't find it [confused]- ages ago I saw a thread where folk were talking about putting their own sets together - there was also a great Jundo video on the same subject. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I've found bowls, but I need some info about the cloths, sizes etc.
Thank you!

Gassho
Frankie
satwithyoualltoday/lah

[Kokuu]

Hi Frankie

Jundo's video is usually to be found at the beginning of the Rohatsu thread.

I don't know if this is universally the case (and probably depends on bowl sizes for the outside cloth) but the cloths I received with my bowls are the following sizes:

Wrapping/table cloth - 45cm x 45cm (18” square)
Drying cloth - 30cm x 30cm (12” square)
Lap cloth - 55cm x 27.5cm (22” x 11”)

This booklet contains dimensions and was linked to by Myozan in a previous thread: https://terebess.hu/zen/szoto/oryoki-instructions.pdf


Gassho
Kokuu
-sattoday/lah-

[Jundo]

This is the "things around the house" do-it-your(non)self Oryoki kit ...


RETREAT PREPARATION LESSON I -

Below in this thread, we will provide various short lessons and tips to help you participate. Please review them between now and the days of the Retreat.

First, the following video will explain a bit about how to make and dance with a simple, home Oryoki kit. All you need is:

1 - Clean Pillow Case
2 - Bowls and 1 Tea Cup (that fit into each other)
1 - Cloth Napkin
1 - Small Wiping Cloth
1 - Table Spoon
1 - Tea Spoon or Chop Sticks
1 - Small Cut Piece of a New Sponge
1 - Letter Envelope
1 - A small dish on the side for the "Hungry Ghosts"




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HnLfdCwE9Y




Gassho, J

SatTodayLAH

[Geika]

This video has come in handy many times!

Gassho, sat today, lah

[Meitou]

Thanks everyone and thank you Jundo, this is such a great video. I'm gradually putting a set together, although finding a small spatula is proving a challenge. I'm thinking of making the wrapping cloth from material left over from the rakusu, perhaps using the same style of stitching.
This has turned out to be a great Ango project.
Gassho
Frankie
Satwithyoualltoday /lah

[Eishuu]

Don't know if this is helpful to anyone, but after much hunting online I founded a nice little Etsy shop in Thailand that does oryoki sets. But they also sell the napkins and the utensils separately and for a reasonable price. I eventually found some melamine oryoki bowls on Amazon (unfortunately they're no longer available). But if anyone wants to either buy a cheapish set or get the accessories (Frankie, they have spatulas), I had a good experience with this shop. https://www.etsy.com/uk/shop/GreatEasternSun?ref=listing-shop2-all-items-count&section_id=15653508

Gassho
Lucy
ST/LAH

[Kokuu]

https://www.etsy.com/uk/shop/GreatEa...on_id=15653508

I saw that seller too, Lucy. Thank you for commenting on your experience with them.

Jundo, is this the full oryoki set as it seems pretty reasonable? https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/219668839/lacquer-oryoki-jihatsu-5-bowl-sets


Gassho
Kokuu
-sattoday/lah-

[Eishuu]

I saw that seller too, Lucy. Thank you for commenting on your experience with them.

Jundo, is this the full oryoki set as it seems pretty reasonable? https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/219668839/lacquer-oryoki-jihatsu-5-bowl-sets


Gassho
Kokuu
-sattoday/lah-

Just to clarify, I can't attest to their bowls as I only ordered the utensils and napkins, but the guy was polite and sent them very quickly. I also thought the postage was very reasonable. I did think that their bowls looked lovely though. If you do get some I'd be interested to know what you think.

Gassho
Lucy
ST/LAH

[Jundo]

I saw that seller too, Lucy. Thank you for commenting on your experience with them.

Jundo, is this the full oryoki set as it seems pretty reasonable? https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/219668839/lacquer-oryoki-jihatsu-5-bowl-sets


Gassho
Kokuu
-sattoday/lah-

Hi Koku,

No, I would have to say that they are not an orthodox Soto style set (maybe Rinzai, but I have my doubts even then). The first point is that a "proper" Buddha Bowl (the large bow) should have a fully rounded bottom, meaning that what seems the smallest saucer is actually a stand for it to rest upon ... the bowl itself is also quite rounded.

http://urushi-asobi.com/upload/save_image/08030142_501aadf4c6714.jpg

Here is the appearance of a Soto priest's set.

http://www.shojin-project.com/_src/sc1622/DSC_0909.JPG

https://terebess.hu/zen/szoto/oryoki.jpg

I would not call the set you point to inexpensive, although it purports to be lacquer. There are less expensive sets, but they are usually some manmade material like bakelite (however, this does help with ease of care).


Many of the western sets, for lay people especially, have flat bottoms on all bowls including the largest. It is not so important that shape or content, and frankly, I think a home built set is perfectly fine if just for personal use.

Gassho, J

SatTodayLAH

[Jundo]

PS - Here is a better picture of the rounded bottom of the Buddha Bowl, although the color is wrong (this is by an artist). It should be black.

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/83/3e/a5/833ea520c1900fa136f4a223345dd667--buddha-bowl-zen.jpg

[Meitou]

Lucy thanks for that link, I had a look and yes, the accessories are a good price - the bowls, while beautiful, are completely out of my price range. I'm wondering now how much the trainee monks and priests in Japan have to spend on their sets, they look so beautiful ( and expensive!)
As wonderful as it must be to have one of these beautiful sets, my belief these days is that intent should triumph over form. I will admit right now that my two bowls cost €1 each and I found them in the pet department of a local supermarket, the third is a small tea bowl from a Vietnamese tea set that I've had for some years - but they all work so well together. If I should win the Lotto however ( or rather if my husband does as I don't play) I'll buy everyone the Oryoki set of their choice :)
Gassho
Frankie
satwithyoualltoday/lah

[Meitou]

As a footnote, I found this rather lovely shop online today, https://www.boutiquezen.com/ full of delicious things that I mostly can't afford. The Oryoki set is more reasonably priced than some, although I can never get past paying so much for plastic bowls. However it is all sold separately and looks to be very nice quality. Id' like to know a bit more about the Japanese incense they sell and why some of it is so expensive - I wonder if it is artisan made - last night I was watching a clip on a TV show called Japanese Style Generator ( Netflix) about the making of Japanese candles, so beautiful and so labour intensive I can't even imagine what a fair price would be for them. Window shopping costs nothing, thankfully!
Gassho
Frankie
satwithyoualltoday/lah

[Kotei]

Id' like to know a bit more about the Japanese incense they sell and why some of it is so expensive

Hi Frankie,
the high priced ones most likely contain Agarwood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agarwood (called Jinko or Kyara in its better qualities).
This is a very rare wood, that, together with a fungus produces this wonderful scent. Also the oil, extracted from the wood, called Oud is very famous.
Depending on Agarwood quality, there are waaaay more expensive ones avail ;-)
Gassho,
Kotei sat/lah today.

[Jundo]

Really, unless you are heading to Eiheiji in Japan to train, or want to make this a lifetime passion and support a Japanese craftsman (assuming the bowls are not actually made in China) ...

... hunt around, make your own.

Gassho, J


SatTodayLAH

[Myogan]

This booklet contains dimensions and was linked to by Myozan in a previous thread: https://terebess.hu/zen/szoto/oryoki-instructions.pdf


Gassho
Kokuu
-sattoday/lah-

The utensil holder is simple enough to do.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171025/0cb691699f535b931a84a137f69ff996.jpg

Gassho
Sat



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[Jundo]

Lovely Myogan. gassho1

[Meitou]

Really, unless you are heading to Eiheiji in Japan to train, or want to make this a lifetime passion and support a Japanese craftsman (assuming the bowls are not actually made in China) ...

... hunt around, make your own.

Gassho, J


SatTodayLAH

Yes this is exactly what I am doing, it's a great exercise in creativity and improvisation. I find that when I make something myself I feel more connected to it and it takes on a different value.
Thank you Kotei for the info about the incense, loved reading about that and thanks Myogan for the utensil holder info. I'm thinking of adapting an origami chopstick sleeve.
Gassho
Frankie
Satwithyoualltoday /lah

[Washin]

The utensil holder is simple enough to do.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...37f69ff996.jpg
Looking nice, Myogan.


it's a great exercise in creativity and improvisation. I find that when I make something myself I feel more connected to it and it takes on a different value.
I agree, Frankie. I find this encouraging for my practice. I have made this by myself (including the utensils which I made out of the regular wooden kutlery of the bigger size)
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Gassho
Washin
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[Meitou]

Looking nice, Myogan.


I agree, Frankie. I find this encouraging for my practice. I have made this by myself (including the utensils which I made out of the regular wooden kutlery of the bigger size)
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Gassho
Washin
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That looks great Washin! I do like these utensil holders, perhaps when the rakusu is completed, I'll attempt to make one. Thank you.
Gassho
Frankie
Satwithyoualltoday /lah

[Washin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=335&v=IKC-T59EV64 :)

Gassho
Washin
sat/lah

[Kotei]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=335&v=IKC-T59EV64 :)

Gassho
Washin
sat/lah

Thanks for the practice reminder ;-).

Gassho,
Kotei sat/lah today.

[Meitou]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=335&v=IKC-T59EV64 :)

Gassho
Washin
sat/lah

[claps]
Gassho
Frankie
Satwithyoualltoday /lah

[Souchi]

Thanks for the tips in this thread gassho2 !

Just had the opportunity to cross the border to participate in a Sesshin at the nearest Zen temple in France. I sew an Oryoki set upfront consisting of the following pieces (all sizes final sizes after sewing the hem):


Drying cloth (white) 30x30 cm
Lap cloth (black) 33 x 72 cm
Wrapping cloth (black) 54 x 54 cm
Flat bottom black bowl, a spoon, and a fork


That worked out pretty well. Usually, I would just let the corner of the wrapping cloth closest to me hang from the table after unwrapping it because we were sitting (kneeling) tightly. Because I had no utensil holder, I placed the spoon & fork in between the final fold of the lap cloth when wrapping things up. That prevented the spoon & fork from falling out easily. Maybe not the "correct" way to do it, but nobody complained [happy]

It's really nice make use of the Oryoki set at home from time to time (and also saves some of the dishwashing afterwards gassho1).

Gassho,
Souchi

SatToday

[Shugen]

Thanks for the tips in this thread gassho2 !

Just had the opportunity to cross the border to participate in a Sesshin at the nearest Zen temple in France. I sew an Oryoki set upfront consisting of the following pieces (all sizes final sizes after sewing the hem):


Drying cloth (white) 30x30 cm
Lap cloth (black) 33 x 72 cm
Wrapping cloth (black) 54 x 54 cm
Flat bottom black bowl, a spoon, and a fork


That worked out pretty well. Usually, I would just let the corner of the wrapping cloth closest to me hang from the table after unwrapping it because we were sitting (kneeling) tightly. Because I had no utensil holder, I placed the spoon & fork in between the final fold of the lap cloth when wrapping things up. That prevented the spoon & fork from falling out easily. Maybe not the "correct" way to do it, but nobody complained [happy]

It's really nice make use of the Oryoki set at home from time to time (and also saves some of the dishwashing afterwards gassho1).

Gassho,
Souchi

SatToday

I am glad that it was useful to you. We meet every second Sunday of the month to practice together if you are interested in joining in. (We did skip July but will meet again in August)

Gassho,

Shugen

Sattoday/LAH


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[Souchi]

Thanks, Shugen. Sunday usually clashes with our family day, but I will keep an eye on the dates and join if it is possible for me.

Gassho,
Souchi

SatToday

[Emmet]

First attempt; a work in progress.
Everything but the chopsticks scrounged from second-hand shops.

https://i.imgur.com/BLHF4Gn.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/ckCqtEA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jJ8k0xO.jpg

Sat today/LAH

[Mp]

First attempt; a work in progress.

https://i.imgur.com/BLHF4Gn.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/ckCqtEA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jJ8k0xO.jpg

Sat today/LAHLooking good Emmet. =)

Gassho
Shingen

Sat/LAH

[Meitou]

Wow Emmet, that looks great, love those bowls! I only just learned this week how to do that knot, I've been trying to figure it out for a year - I realised I had misread the instructions [duh]

Gassho
Meitou
satwithyoualltoday/lah

[Shugen]

Very nice Emmet!

Gassho,

Shugen

Sattoday/LAH


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[Washin]

Lovely set, Emmet. Great job :encouragement:

Gassho
Washin
just sat

[Koki]

Good Afternoon All!

I will begin putting together my Oryoki set. This is all new to me, so it will be a work in progress.
I will be putting my own set together for personal use, and hope to begin this practice 2-3 times per week.
Once I have it all together, I hope to join you for a meal online here, with our wonderful Sangha.

Any suggestions you may have, are very welcome.

Gassho

Frank
Satoday

[Meitou]

Good Afternoon All!

I will begin putting together my Oryoki set. This is all new to me, so it will be a work in progress.
I will be putting my own set together for personal use, and hope to begin this practice 2-3 times per week.
Once I have it all together, I hope to join you for a meal online here, with our wonderful Sangha.

Any suggestions you may have, are very welcome.

Gassho

Frank
Satoday

That's lovely Frank! If you haven't already, do watch Jundo's excellent video above in this thread, so many good ideas. This is a great opportunity to be creative - I found some good bowls in the pet dept of a local department store! I look forward to you joining us as soon as possible.
Gassho
Meitou
satwithyoualltodaylah

[Koki]

Thank you Meitou!

Im going to take a ride to a local shop that carries All sorts of things appropriate for putting together Oryoki!

Ill see what kind of treasures I can find!

Gassho
Frank
Satoday

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[Mr_Kha]

Hello,

some weeks ago I went to the market here in Vietnam and bought one of those "buckets" for food.
I actually wanted to do it to reduce my waste. Vietnamese love putting everything in styropor boxes. I do not have a kitchen and have to buy every meal, so sometimes it is just too much waste.

While being home, I realised that it just looks like an oryoki set.

I would love to join oryoki but, as I wrote above, I have no kitchen. I cannot do it at a local food stall. Maybe another time I will get some food home.

Gassho,
Karsten
SAT/LAH54395440

[Mp]

I would love to join oryoki but, as I wrote above, I have no kitchen. I cannot do it at a local food stall. Maybe another time I will get some food home.


Hello Karsten,

You don't need a kitchen to practice ... a lot of the time I just use either dry cereal or toast. I boil some water which I use in my small bowl and for clean up. Super easy with no cooking required. =)

Gassho
Shingen

Sat/LAH

[Shugen]

As Shingen said, simple is good. A little something to eat and some warm water....

Please join us if you can!

Gassho,

Shugen

Sattoday/LAH


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[Mr_Kha]

Thank you both, Shugen and Shingen.
At the moment I still feel not being ready, but I will try to join an oryoki at the end of the month. I need to prepare some more things and want to read more about the oryoki.

Gassho,
Karsten

SAT

[Mp]

Thank you both, Shugen and Shingen.
At the moment I still feel not being ready, but I will try to join an oryoki at the end of the month. I need to prepare some more things and want to read more about the oryoki.

Gassho,
Karsten

SAT

:encouragement:

Gassho
Shingen

Sat/LAH

[Shugen]

Thank you both, Shugen and Shingen.
At the moment I still feel not being ready, but I will try to join an oryoki at the end of the month. I need to prepare some more things and want to read more about the oryoki.

Gassho,
Karsten

SAT

If there is anything I can do to help or if you would like to get together and practice, please let me know.

Gassho,

Shugen

Sattoday/LAH


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[Souchi]

http://www.shojin-project.com/_src/sc1622/DSC_0909.JPG

With respect to the utensils holder: Are there any rules how the corners of the white cloth should be folded before sewing them? I think the instructions in the pdf file from Kannon Do sangha don't contain anything about this. In the picture posted by Jundo above it looks to me like they are folded diagonally and that the border of the short edge is on top of the border of the long edges. Here are two pictures to illustrate what I mean (long edges left and right, short edge at the bottom).

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The second picture represents the state right before folding the two little triangles and building up the "barber's pole".

Gassho
Souchi

SatToday

[Jundo]

Hi Souchi,

I have absolutely no experience in sewing a utensil case, so I can only comment by looking at mine.

I think the diagonal stripes are not found on most of the cases I have seen in the west, so I am not sure about the need for those. Most I have seen in the west are a solid pattern.

Here are a couple of more photos that may help.

https://global.sotozen-net.or.jp/eng/practice/eating/oryoki/images/image-018.jpg

https://terebess.hu/zen/szoto/pic17.jpg
https://www.samadhicushions.com/v/vspfiles/photos/S-1561-2T.jpg

The top is poiny, but the bottom of the bag (where the utensils fall when fully inserted) is flat.

If that is not helpful, I will photograph mine and post.

Gassho, J

STLah

[Shugen]

Hi Souchi,

I also have not sewn a utensil case so am not sure best how to advise you. Mine is a single color and was a gift.

Gassho,

Shugen

Sattoday/LAH


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[Washin]

Hello Souchi,

I have sewn my holder using the Kannon Do's pdf. On pages 8,9 you may find detailed instrutions
how to proceed as per the figures 6 and 7.
https://terebess.hu/zen/szoto/oryoki-instructions.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3mWXDFgas-jLdytqgECe6xlHKKXwJXUFQsBeur1vn5SBV0fH3FSMT97C4

Here's how it looks when done:
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Hope it is helpful.

Gassho,
Washin
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[Souchi]

Thanks, I think I have to clarify a bit more what I meant. Curiously, I seem to have overlooked Emmet's utensil holder because on his pictures you can see what I was referring to when I wrote about folding the corners diagonally.

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So I guess it is also OK to fold the corners that way.

Merry Christmas [smile]

Gassho
Souchi

SatToday

[Souchi]

Thanks for your inspiration, here is what I came up with: a barber pole version and a more simple one; also a very basic setsu.

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The simple two-colored version consists of a piece of white cloth and a shorter piece of black cloth (if anyone is interested, I can describe in more detail how it is sewn).

Personally, I prefer the more simple one since it is not so eye-catching when you eat with other people who mostly use one-colored utensil holders. Anyway, it was a nice sewing practice [smile]gassho1

Gassho
Souchi

SatToday

[Mp]

Thanks for your inspiration, here is what I came up with: a barber pole version and a more simple one; also a very basic setsu.

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The simple two-colored version consists of a piece of white cloth and a shorter piece of black cloth (if anyone is interested, I can describe in more detail how it is sewn).

Personally, I prefer the more simple one since it is not so eye-catching when you eat with other people who mostly use one-colored utensil holders. Anyway, it was a nice sewing practice [smile]gassho1

Gassho
Souchi

SatTodayLooks great, well done. =)

Gassho
Shingen

Sat/LAH

[Washin]

Lovely! Thanks for sharing, Souchi.

Gassho
Washin
stlah

[Shugen]

Very nice!

Gassho,

Shugen

Sattoday/LAH


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[Nanrin]

A few weeks ago my wife and I went to a new secondhand shop that had recently received a shipment of things from Japan. I scoured the shop to find some bowls that would fit inside each other, and although they certainly aren't a traditional set, at least they neatly fit within each other. We don't have many things in our kitchen - even Jundo's does whatever works set barely worked, I think I used a plate, a bowl, and a tea cup and a small tablecloth to wrap it all.

The bowls are a funny mix of colors and materials, combined with nearly sewn scap cloths, all of different materials and colors as well.

Since getting things assembled, I've been occasionally doing a simple oryoki ceremony every few days. Quite the different experience then eating with phone in hand or having a conversation.

Gassho,

Nanrin

Sat today

PS
At the same shop, I got a new teapot as my old one was broken by my stepdaughter on accident. It was only a dollar or two. I don't have any sort of a ceremony I do all drinking tea, but it is a pleasure to slowly brew it and enjoy it without doing anything else in particular. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190710/958de8f0170d7114beb9434fe99ccbbc.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190710/faac36b89c6c51bdaf295387cd2952b9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190710/c2423ad8563165f080251ebf2eb82e9e.jpg

[Mp]

Looks good Nanrin! =)

Gassho
Shingen

Sat/LAH

[Shinshi]

Wow, those look great!

Gassho, Shinshi

SaT-LaH

[Washin]

Lovely set, Nanrin!

Gassho
Washin
stlah

[Souchi]

Yes, very nice :encouragement:

Gassho
Souchi

SatToday

[Nanrin]

Quick question -

Although I try to eat carefully, occasionally a bit of food falls down onto the outer covering cloth. Although it's easy to wash, during the rainy season here it is often hard to get cloths to dry, so avoiding extra laundry would be nice. Has anyone made a placemat or know what sort of material they are made of? I haven't been able to think of something I could use that can be wiped clean and folded.

Gassho

Nanrin

Sat

[Jundo]

Quick question -

Although I try to eat carefully, occasionally a bit of food falls down onto the outer covering cloth. Although it's easy to wash, during the rainy season here it is often hard to get cloths to dry, so avoiding extra laundry would be nice. Has anyone made a placemat or know what sort of material they are made of? I haven't been able to think of something I could use that can be wiped clean and folded.

Gassho

Nanrin

Sat

What do you do for your t-shirts down there? [scared]

The "placemat" is lacquered paper (e.g., ordinary "construction paper" or any rather firm paper covered in laquer is fine), and should be somewhat water proof and wipeable. l believe that instructions for that are somewhere in this thread, and that there is lacquer in Thailand very easy to find.

Gassho, J

STLah

[Jundo]

PS - here you go. Down there, you should just be able to find some at some wood working place or the like:

https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showthread.php?12100-My-Experiment-Making-a-Hattan

[Kotei]

Hello Nanrin,
black construction paper with 130g/m2 lacquered (polished) with 6 layers of shellac polish (not vegan!) worked fine for me.
Pictures in this thread: https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showthread.php?14264-Oryoki-Practice-Circle-Meeting-One&p=174684&viewfull=1#post174684

Gassho,
Kotei sat/lah today.

[Nanrin]

Jundo,

Thank you for your quick response! I feel a little silly for repeatedly searching for "oryoki placemat" and similar terms instead of looking up the Japanese word (hattan) and searching for that. Go figure that the Treeleaf archives have all the information I need and then some. Lacquer is indeed easy to find here, although I decided to go for shellac because it was sold in smaller amounts. I wish they had the traditional natural lacquer available here, it'd be nice to learn a bit of the traditional techniques.

As far as laundry goes . . . it's a bit of a game to get clothing dry. We try to get it washed and hung out to dry when there'll be some sun or wind and no rain, but the weather is fickle. Some of the thicker items from the last batch didn't dry off before it rained, ended up stinky, and had to be washed again today. Hopefully it'll not rain until they are mostly dry. If my hut had more space we could put up a drying rack and blow a fan on the clothing to dry it indoors.

Kotei,

Thank you for the information and your pictures. I stopped by the stationary store and bought a small pack of 150g/m2 A3 paper, cut it to size and folded it, painted it with black ink, dried it, and am now applying some shellac. I don't think I'll get as even of a finish as you did though. Excellent work! :)

Gassho,

Nanrin

Sat today

[Kotei]

Thank you Nanrin,
I like the slightly uneven look of my Hattan. The marks add some 'wabi-sabi' feeling :-).
As Shellac is basically a resinous secrete from lac bugs in alcohol, you can use alcohol on a fabric pad when it's not even enough and soften the surface with it.

Gassho,
Kotei sat/lah today.

[Kotei]

Hello everyone,

there has been some interest in sewing the oryoki cloths recently.
For easier access, here are the documents, I used for sewing them:

The one from 'Kannon Do Zen Meditation Center'
https://terebess.hu/zen/szoto/oryoki-instructions.pdf

And the one from the 'Wild Flower Zendo' / Brunnenhofzendo
http://www.brunnenhofzendo.ch/index_htm_files/The%20Oryoki%20Set%20english%20in%20cm.pdf

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Gassho,
Kotei sat/lah today.

[Tokan]

Hey all

I've not done oryoki since I was last at Throssel Hole Priory in the late 90's! But as part of the pre-ordination training and practice it is time I had a go. So I shall be starting with quite humble beginnings as you can see from my set of bowls. I'll get the correct bits and sew what I need to in time, but I didn't want such details to stop me starting this practice now, so much video watching and reading of all your learnings and questions to help illuminate my path to a wholesome meal!

Gassho, Tokan

satlah

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