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Jundo
10-28-2016, 11:41 PM
Dear all,

I am thinking to put aside for awhile the Koans of the Book of Serenity in our book club when we reach no. 75 (we are now at no. 70), and sometime after the New Year turn to another book or two for awhile. We will return to the Book of Serenity sometime next year.

I would like to turn to a commentary on Buddhism, Engaged Practice and social responsibility, making Traditional doctrines and Practice relevant for modern times, by David Loy. I found it very good, filled with very down to earth short essays on various topics.

A New Buddhist Path: Enlightenment, Evolution, and Ethics in the Modern World by David Loy

Please have a look through the sample here ...

https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=rt5wBAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=david+loy+new+buddhist+path+books&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjPrvjLv_LPAhXjq1QKHcPBCggQ6AEIHDAA#v=on epage&q=david%20loy%20new%20buddhist%20path%20books&f=false

or

http://www.wisdompubs.org/sites/default/files/preview/New-Buddhist-Path-Preview.pdf


A New Buddhist Path: Enlightenment, Evolution, and Ethics in the Modern World (Wisdom Publications, 2015).

David R. Loy addresses head-on the most pressing issues of Buddhist philosophy in our time. What is the meaning of enlightenment--is it an escape from the world, or is it a form of psychological healing? How can one reconcile modern scientific theory with ancient religious teachings? What is our role in the universe? Loy shows us that neither Buddhism nor secular society by itself is sufficient to answer these questions. Instead, he investigates the unexpected intersections of the two. Through this exchange, he uncovers a new Buddhist way, one that is faithful to the important traditions of Buddhism but compatible with modernity. This way, we can see the world as it is truly is, realize our indivisibility from it, and learn that the world's problems are our problems. This is a new path for a new world.

Note from author: I'm not happy with the somewhat-pretentious main title, which was not my first choice. Too late, I realize what it should have been: A New Buddhist Story.

From the Introduction ...


This book outlines the basic features of a contemporary Buddhism
that tries to be both faithful to its most important traditional teachings
and also compatible with modernity, or at least with many of the most
characteristic elements of the modern worldview. Despite the ambitious
title, the pages that follow inevitably offer a personal perspective
on some aspects of the dialogue so far. ... There is no
question of providing a new version of Buddhism that will stand the
test of time. Instead, the best that any of us can hope for is to contribute
to the ongoing conversation, in the belief that a collective wisdom is
beginning to emerge, which will be something more than the sum of
separate voices.

The main challenge to developing a modern Buddhism is the difficulty
of achieving a genuine dialogue that is not predisposed to evaluate
one side in terms of the other.

On the traditional side, for the last few generations the main concern
has naturally been to import particular schools of Asian Buddhism
and foster support for them. Such a conventional approach might be
summarized as follows: “Some adjustments need to be made, of course,
but without conceding any significant alteration in the basic teachings
and ways of practicing. That such traditions are premodern is not a
weakness but their strength, given what the modern world has become
and where it seems to be going. The prevalent Western worldview promotes
individualism and narcissism, its economic system encourages
greed, and society as a whole seems to be entranced in consumerist
addictions and fantasies. We need to revitalize this ancient wisdom
that can point us back in the right direction.”

On the other side, however, the main concern is to make Buddhism
more relevant to contemporary society by secularizing it, replacing its
Iron Age mythological roots with a worldview more compatible with
science and other modern ways of knowing. “Sure, modernity has its
problems, but we must build on the best of what it has discovered. This
includes not only hard sciences such as physics and biology but also
social sciences such as psychology and sociology. Instead of accepting
premodern beliefs that are no longer plausible today, we can also benefit
from what anthropology and archaeology, for example, have learned
about ancient ways of thinking. Only that approach can develop a
Buddhism that speaks directly to our situation today—the dis-ease of
modern people living in a globalizing world.”

Sympathizing with both perspectives is easy; walking the knifeedge
between them is more difficult. Can we employ each viewpoint
to interrogate the other, without accepting either perspective as absolute?
Such an approach can be discomforting because it is so destabilizing:
what remains of one’s own standpoint? This process invokes
the understanding of Buddhist practice discussed in part I, which
emphasizes the realization of “nondwelling mind”: a mind that does
not identify with any particular forms, including thought-forms such
as ideologies, whether religious or secular.

Although the Asian Buddhist traditions continue to fascinate many
of us, clearly we need to distinguish the essentials of the Dharma from
cultural trappings that don’t fit as well into the modern world—do
those include karma and rebirth? Yet a secularized Buddhism may
assume some of the very things that a Buddhist perspective might critique
as problematic. Does the prevalent materialist worldview of modern
science express the truth of the world we live in, or has it become
questionable—as some distinguished scientists, including Nobel laureate
physicists and biologists, now believe? Differentiating science as a
methodology from the dominant naturalistic paradigm opens the door
to new conceptions of what this world is and to a fresh understanding
of our place and role within it, which are discussed in part II.


...

This way of describing the Buddhist path and its fruit raises some
other important issues. Is the nondualist perspective developed in part I
compatible with what modern science has discovered? Or with what
contemporary science is discovering now? It seems difficult to reconcile
a spiritual path with the materialist and reductionist paradigm that
has been so successful in bending the world to our will—a worldview,
to say it again, that many scientists themselves now find problematical.
Another issue raised by this way of understanding the Buddhist path
is its social and ecological implications. “History is a race between
education and catastrophe,” according to H. G. Wells, and the race is
speeding up, on both sides. Catastrophe may not be too strong a term
for the future that has begun to unfold.

I hope that this will be interesting and helpful in your Practice, and that you will join the fun.

Gassho, Jundo

SatToday

Geika
10-28-2016, 11:49 PM
Looking forward to it, thanks for the heads up!

Gassho, sat today

Shokai
10-29-2016, 12:22 AM
Thank you Jundo;
Looks really interesting. Ordered it for delivery next week. Cool :reading:

gassho,

sat Today

Mp
10-29-2016, 12:26 AM
Thank you Jundo, I too am looking forward to reading and talking about it. =)

Gassho
Shingen

s@today

Jyukatsu
10-29-2016, 02:25 AM
Look forward to reading this, thank you Jundo
Gassho,
Marina
sat today

Onkai
10-29-2016, 02:39 AM
Thank you, Jundo. This looks like it will be a good read and will spark lively conversations.

Gassho,
Onkai
SatToday

Kotei
10-29-2016, 06:17 AM
Thank you, Jundo.
Looks interesting... order placed.
Gassho,
Kotei sattoday.

Doshin
10-29-2016, 07:00 PM
Thank you. I purchased that book and it has been just there waiting for me to open it. A discussion with the Sangha will do the trick of getting the pages turned.

Gassho
Doshin
sattoday

Risho
10-29-2016, 09:16 PM
Excellent! I like how we are taking our time with these endless koans.

Gassho

Risho
-sattoday

Jundo
10-30-2016, 01:08 AM
David Loy thanks you all for reading his book, and just told me that he will come for a netcast Zazenkai and Talk sometime in the Spring, when we are into the book.

Gassho, J

SatToday

Mp
10-30-2016, 01:22 AM
David Loy thanks you all for reading his book, and just told me that he will come for a netcast Zazenkai and Talk sometime in the Spring, when we are into the book.

Gassho, J

SatToday
Wow, very cool Jundo! Many thanks to you for bringing in so many wondeful teachers ... have been very inspiring. =)

Gassho
Shingen

s@today

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Jakuden
10-30-2016, 01:38 AM
Got it! Yes I am also enjoying all the guest talks, thank you!

Gassho
Jakuden
SatToday

Onkai
10-30-2016, 02:18 AM
A zazenkai and talk with David Loy will be great. My copy of the book will arrive next week. I'm looking forward to it.

Gassho,
Onkai
SatToday

Shugen
10-30-2016, 02:28 AM
Thank you Jundo.

Gassho,

Shugen

Sattoday


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Washin
10-30-2016, 07:06 AM
Very interesting indeed. I'm ordering the book from Amazon now.
Thank you Jundo.

Gassho
Washin
just sat

Tanjin
10-31-2016, 01:55 AM
Thank you! I just purchased and also listened to a couple lectures by the author on YouTube. Looking forward to the discussion!

Gassho,
Jimmy
Sattoday

Taiyo
10-31-2016, 01:40 PM
Already ordered it. Thank you, Jundo.

Gassho,
Andoitz.

SatToday.

Kyonin
10-31-2016, 04:28 PM
Will buy it as soon as I'm able to.

Thank you Jundo.

Gassho,

Kyonin
#SatToday

leon
11-20-2016, 08:44 AM
I usually only buy e-books these days but as this is available only in print I have allowed myself the small luxury of the printed word in my hands!

As I am new to treeleaf I hope this will be a means for me to get to know you all a little better. The New Zealand time zone is GMT+12 most of the year so please forgive me if I am "off pace" with the discussion at times.

Gassho, Leon

SatToday

Enjaku
11-20-2016, 09:38 AM
Hi Leon,

Here in the UK, Treeleaf things often happen between 1am and 3am so I'm used to catching up with threads and zazenkai's the following day or over the weekend. The good news is lots of people do the same. When it comes to live talks and zazenkais, as soon as the video starts, it feels like we're together and I forget all about time differences.

I'll be ordering the book today so look forward to discussing it with everyone gassho2

Gassho,
Alex
Sat

dod
12-09-2016, 08:37 PM
I have just ordered a copy :reading:

Gassho
Jessie
~sat today~

Toun
12-10-2016, 01:20 AM
This is a wonderful selection for the book club. I read through a few of the pages and found it to be quite interesting.
It's definitely a thumbs up :encouragement:
Thank you Jundo!

Gassho
Mike
Sat2day

Kaishin
12-12-2016, 07:34 PM
I usually only buy e-books these days but as this is available only in print I have allowed myself the small luxury of the printed word in my hands!

As I am new to treeleaf I hope this will be a means for me to get to know you all a little better. The New Zealand time zone is GMT+12 most of the year so please forgive me if I am "off pace" with the discussion at times.

Gassho, Leon

SatToday

Amazon has a Kindle version, at least that's what I'm seeing--is it perhaps restricted from your region?

Kaishin
12-12-2016, 07:47 PM
Differentiating science as a methodology from the dominant naturalistic paradigm...

Oof... sounds like it's going to be a bit of an academic slog... I've grown weary of such texts, but I'll give it a shot!

Jundo
12-14-2016, 12:35 PM
Oof... sounds like it's going to be a bit of an academic slog... I've grown weary of such texts, but I'll give it a shot!

It is not, rather easy reading, practical for life.

Gassho, J

SatToday

Kaishin
12-14-2016, 04:30 PM
It is not, rather easy reading, practical for life.

Gassho, J

SatToday

Good! :)

AlanLa
12-17-2016, 12:46 AM
While ordering my copy I was looking at some of his other books and one titled "The World is Made of Stories" that sounded interesting, so I bought it. When it arrived I flipped through it and thought that it looked familiar, and that would be because I had read it already about 10+ years ago. I even wrote some notes inside it! Anyway, I took the opportunity to read it again, and it has held up well over the years. He is an interesting author with a unique perspective, so I look forward to a book of his that I have not read yet [morehappy]

Jyukatsu
12-27-2016, 03:38 AM
Got the book for Christmas; read a few pages......a very interesting read.

Gassho,
Marina
sat today

Shokai
12-27-2016, 04:48 AM
Got The Book. Looking forward to the read and discussion

gasshp,
satToday

Geika
12-27-2016, 05:00 AM
Ordered the book today!

Gassho, sat today

Bodhi
12-29-2016, 03:05 AM
Thank you Jundo. I look forward to reading this with the sangha.

Gassho,
Jason
SatThisDay

Geika
12-29-2016, 05:53 AM
Got the book today. :)

Gassho, sat today

MacK
12-30-2016, 08:54 PM
Like Leon, I am unable to download a kindle version but have ordered a paper version to be delivered next week.

Gassho
Karen
Sat today

Kyotai
01-01-2017, 03:58 PM
I ordered a copy and will follow along.

Gassho, Kyotai
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pthwaites
01-02-2017, 05:53 AM
I'm looking forward to joining everyone for this. For anyone still trying to get a digital version of the book, it is available on Google play books or through the kobo reading app - both perfectly useable alternatives to kindle.

Gassho

Sat today

Peter

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Ansan
01-16-2017, 02:35 AM
Thank you, Jundo. Just got my Kindle copy. Looking forward to reading it.

Gassho
Ansan

SatToday

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Risho
01-16-2017, 06:05 AM
Copy on order; looking forward to it!

Gassho

Risho
-sattoday

Konsetsu
01-16-2017, 06:27 AM
I just picked up the kindle version and would love to follow along.

Gassho,
Konsetsu
SatToday

Washin
01-16-2017, 10:12 AM
Got the book from Amazon few weeks ago and
looking forward to reading it together.

Gassho
Washin
st

Myosha
01-16-2017, 01:42 PM
Hello,

Reading the adventure of a New Buddhist. So far, so far.


Gassho
Myosha
sat today

Hoko
01-17-2017, 04:28 PM
Got the book.
Been reading it.
Enjoying it very much so far.
Looking forward to the discussion.
Gassho,
Hōkō
#SatToday

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Kyotai
01-17-2017, 05:15 PM
I am well into this book as well.

Gassho, Kyotai
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2+2macht4
01-23-2017, 01:27 PM
Hello all,
I see you are now on case 75, will you be starting this book next? If so I will go ahead and pick it up, I would love to join this time.

Much love,
Serena

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Jundo
01-23-2017, 01:46 PM
Hello all,
I see you are now on case 75, will you be starting this book next? If so I will go ahead and pick it up, I would love to join this time.

Much love,
Serena

<3 Sat today

Hi Serena,

Yes, we will start in a week or so. Gassho, Jundo

SatToday

2+2macht4
01-23-2017, 06:28 PM
Thank you Jundo. I will go ahead and order the book then. I look Forward to joining.

Gassho,
Serena

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Geika
01-23-2017, 10:47 PM
I am about halfway through the book, looking forward to rereading and discussing.

Gassho, sat today

Hoko
02-07-2017, 12:03 AM
I recently finished Loy's book and I loved it.
Just wanted to check in and see where we are supposed to be with this new selection.
Gassho,
Hoko
#SatToday

Geika
02-07-2017, 01:08 AM
I finished as well, and am interested in the points of discussion that will be brought up. The book bounced over many points of view.

Gassho, sat today

Jundo
02-07-2017, 01:51 AM
Hey Guys,

I guess we will start this coming weekend (February 11th-ish). I will post something about pages and such.

Gassho, Jundo

SatToday

Enjaku
02-07-2017, 08:58 AM
Thanks Jundo,
Looking forward to getting started.
Gassho,
Enjaku
Sat

Risho
02-07-2017, 02:27 PM
Can't wait! :)

Gassho,

Rish
-sattoday

Mp
02-07-2017, 02:57 PM
Thank you Jundo, I have the book and ready to dive in. =)

Gassho
Shingen

s@today

Jiken
02-08-2017, 01:58 PM
I'll order a copy and follow along. It's where my head is at right now.

Gassho,

Jiken

Kaisho
02-08-2017, 02:55 PM
Got it. Ready to go. Got it for my eReader though. I will check if page numbers are a thing.
Gassho
Chelsea
Sat2day

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Ryumon
02-09-2017, 10:14 PM
I made a brief comment about this book when I was reading it last year. It was about the thought that enlightenment could be immanent or transcendent.

http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showthread.php?14167-On-enlightenment

I said then:

One of the main thrusts of the book is whether the idea of enlightenment as taught by the Buddha was immanent (of this world, something to be attained through life) or transcendent (beyond this world, the extinction of death and rebirth). This is certainly one of the key questions that arises as we discuss which direction Buddhism may take in the west.

This is quite a powerful idea, and, while I didn't find the entire book interesting, this section of the book made me rethink a lot of things. I look forward to discussing it.

Gassho,

Kirk

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