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    I Don't Know

    When "I don't know" drops "I want to know" liberation blossoms effortlessly.

    With gratitude,

    Dokan
    We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.
    ~Anas Nin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dokan View Post
    When "I don't know" drops "I want to know" liberation blossoms effortlessly.

    With gratitude,

    Dokan
    Very nice Dokan ... thank you.

    Gassho,
    Michael
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    Dokan,

    Interesting, but I would have switched that for myself. When I drop "I want to know" then "I don't know" offers liberation.

    Weird, this zen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dosho View Post
    When I drop "I want to know" then "I don't know" offers liberation.
    Also true! Thank you Dosho.
    We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.
    ~Anas Nin

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    I want to know.
    I don't know.
    Don't know.
    Not knowing.
    Gassho,
    Kaishin

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    Thank you, Dokan.

    Gassho,

    Kyonin.
    Please remember I am only a priest in training. I could be wrong in everything I say. Slap me if needed.

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    disastermouse
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    I don't know if I know, y'know?

    Chet

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    Then what do ya know?

    There's a koan "Not Knowing is the Most Intimate" in the Shinji Shobogenzo - there is a relationship between "knowing" and "not knowing" that is dynamic, as Dokan and Dosho have both pointed out. I, like Dosho, do well to be in a place of "not knowing" - it keeps me open to the fact that my life is right now, rather than wanting it to be some other way..... but wait..... that is the "knowing" that comes with liberation!

    The koan reminds me that being stuck in "not knowing" prevents me from moving beyond and being open to the present - which is a form of "knowing"- direct experience - perhaps there is a dynamic cycle of "not knowing" and "knowing," like that of vow and repentance.... attachment and liberation? "Knowing" in this case is transient.... moment to moment...... just as reality is composed of delusion and enlightenment....

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    Don’t know is just sitting.
    _/_
    Rich
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    無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

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    I don' t know what you all talking about...

    Gassho,
    Marek

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    Standard practice in every Kwan Um school sitting was.. "Only Don't Know!".... and a slap on the floor. Sometimes just a slap on the floor.. and once a slap on the floor and "the red floor is red!"

    Gassho. kojip

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    I don't know either. But if someone does know, don't tell me.
    Myozan Kodo
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    As a trainee priest, please take any commentary by me on matters of the Dharma with a pinch of salt.
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    ha, this great! Even though we don't know, we should want to know, but not be attached to wanting to know; it's wanting to know that makes us human. If we just say don't know, ok no big deal, we could fall into complacency. But isn't true not knowing, still wandering the path of wanting to know all the while accepting what you don't know? If I drank, now would be the time for me to have a few. hahahah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risho View Post
    ha, this great! Even though we don't know, we should want to know, but not be attached to wanting to know; it's wanting to know that makes us human. If we just say don't know, ok no big deal, we could fall into complacency. But isn't true not knowing, still wandering the path of wanting to know all the while accepting what you don't know? If I drank, now would be the time for me to have a few. hahahah
    First questions and answers have absolute value and are tied to the gut, so they are dukkha. Then all questions and answers are resolved at their root in "don't know"... non-dukkha. Then questions and answers return, but are not longer an absolute value, no longer tied to the gut, and are not dukkha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myozan Kodo View Post
    I don't know either. But if someone does know, don't tell me.
    Ok, so I'll just do it.
    _/_
    Rich
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    無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risho View Post
    ha, this great! Even though we don't know, we should want to know, but not be attached to wanting to know; it's wanting to know that makes us human. If we just say don't know, ok no big deal, we could fall into complacency. But isn't true not knowing, still wandering the path of wanting to know all the while accepting what you don't know? If I drank, now would be the time for me to have a few. hahahah
    That's a head spinner.
    _/_
    Rich
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    無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

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    I know that I Don't know
    _/|\_ Gassho with deeply respect
    慈 ji 氣 ki : Energy of Compassion

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