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    SIT-A-LONG with Taigu: Fukanzazengi 4

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    Upon investigation, the truth is all around: how could it rely on practice and experience? The vehicle of the fundamental exists of itself, what is the point of trying?

    Alors que nous la recherchons, la voie-vérité pénètre originellement toutes choses.Comment dépendrait-elle de la pratique et de la réalisation ? Le véhicule de la Loi existe de lui-même, a quoi bon y consacrer tant d’efforts ?

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    Re: SIT-A-LONG with Taigu: Fukanzazengi 4

    Taigu,

    I'm curious as to the differences between the English versions you post and your translations. As a translator myself, I am obviously aware that there will be differences, but I'm wondering if they are merely stylistic, or if your translations are more accurate than the English (or less so). Clearly, this is not a discussion for the forum, but if you want to chat about it some day, let me know.

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    Taigu - that was delightful - inspiration in simplicity.

    Has put a smile on a cold, frosty morning here in the UK.

    Gassho

    Willow

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    Re: SIT-A-LONG with Taigu: Fukanzazengi 4

    Translations...

    Well, my teacher (Chodo Cross) translated from Japanese into English
    What I am doing, is the whole Journey from Japanese into French
    and yes...these translations would be different.

    You see, a single kanji can be translated in so many ways...

    But, anyway, thank you for asking.


    gassho


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    Re: SIT-A-LONG with Taigu: Fukanzazengi 4

    So, who's trying ?? :lol:

    This stuff is pure insight !!

    Thank you Taigu, please do not stop now.

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    Re: SIT-A-LONG with Taigu: Fukanzazengi 4

    What I found immediately interesting is that the English, "Upon investigation," suggests the results of the investigation, whereas the French, "Alors que nous la recherchons," suggest that the investigation is ongoing. Is the Japanese that vague as far as the tense is concerned? (I studied enough Chinese to know that such ambiguity is possible in that language.)

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    Re: SIT-A-LONG with Taigu: Fukanzazengi 4

    Something to dig for you, Mike's own translation:

    http://the-middle-way.org/subpage8.html


    gassho


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    Hello Taigu.

    I appreciate this talk, but it also raises some old issues for me around this teaching. As presented this essential self-existing truth exists as an odd beast, an unexperienced experiential truth, unless I have realized "it" through right-effort/no-effort, in which case it there no such "truth". The talk makes sense to me if I see it as a skillful means, and not a statement of metaphysical fact. The idea of a self-existing absolute true "reality" can inspire practice/non-practice in a certain way, but it can also cause me to project an unexperienced metaphysical truth.

    Sorry to be troublesome, but could you address this? Thank you.


    Gassho, Kojip.

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    Re: SIT-A-LONG with Taigu: Fukanzazengi 4

    Sorry to be troublesome, but could you address this? Thank you.



    gassho

    T,

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    ops:

    Gassho, Kojip

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    Gassho Taigu,
    thank you for talking about it,
    Myoku

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    Re: SIT-A-LONG with Taigu: Fukanzazengi 4

    Thank you again Sensei...

    Gassho,

    Dokan

    PS - Up on podcast.

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    Re: SIT-A-LONG with Taigu: Fukanzazengi 4

    Thank you Taigu.

    Gassho,
    Yugen

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    I think the "trying" also comes from the point of wanting to excuse a possible failure. So nobody can tell us how bad we did; we just tried. Its kind of backdoor. Not trying to, but doing makes us more vulnerable.
    _()_
    Myoku

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myozan Kodo
    Ah, now there is an inspiration! :lol:


    .... loved Barfly though.

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    Re: SIT-A-LONG with Taigu: Fukanzazengi 4

    Free from the will to achieve. Thanks, Taigu

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    Thanks taigu,

    I always love that big smile and laugh you have during your talks. And u are not even trying to laugh or smile it just happens naturally because we all know how difficult it is to "try" to put on a smile or even worse"try" to laugh.

    Gassho

    Ray

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    Splendide! Thank you... :wink:

    gassho,
    Jinyu

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    Taigu,

    Thank you for your time and effort. Gassho, Shogen

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    Re: SIT-A-LONG with Taigu: Fukanzazengi 4

    If only I had watched this last Monday before trying for a new job (and not getting it) and trying so hard to negotiate some funding option (and not getting it), so Taigu, thank you for this happy lesson. I didn't try to get it! I will not try to try again! O que sera, sera!
    :cry: :| :lol:

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    Thank you, Teacher! m

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    SIT-A-LONG with Taigu: Fukanzazengi 4

    Thank you,
    I need to remind myself of this time after after time! Not to try so hard, just let go, let be, allow, open up, open out, open the hand of thought and there it is, everywhere.

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    _/_

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myoku
    I think the "trying" also comes from the point of wanting to excuse a possible failure. So nobody can tell us how bad we did; we just tried. Its kind of backdoor. Not trying to, but doing makes us more vulnerable.
    _()_
    Myoku
    Gassho Gassho Gassho Taigu Sensei!

    I agree Myoku... it's also adding extra effort that's unnecessary when it's just done naturally. I do tend to try too hard. Related to sitting zazen from a different post. Taigu talks about just letting gravity take care of rooting us into the ground, there is no need for this militaristic correction. That seems to be like trying. Trying to imitate our teacher or sangha-mates etc. I have this mental Kyosaku so to speak. When everything is nice and easy my "self" will want to rigidify and make my strive and try and force thoughts away or force into a posture. I catch myself, and just start laughing.. relax you fool!

    Gassho,

    Risho

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    Thank you Taigo for presenting such a clear and simplistic view.

    Gassho,
    Michael

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    Thank you Taigu.
    ..just dropping the barriers... not easy, but wonderful...

    Gassho,
    Bianca
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