Don't know about you all, but I always thought zen 'masters' shouting at zen studnets was nothing but old fashioned bullying. I saw someone in a Dojo once get a right shout out of the blue (for no reason) in the middle of zazen. The person was shaking after the shout. It took some arrogance for the shouter to think this was going to bestow sudden enlightenment. It was clearly an act of violence, as far as I could see.
I have no time for this bulls**t in zen. Maybe it's more in the Rinzai way, and our Soto way is more gentle. Although it was in a Soto Dojo I heard that shout.
Some people need to be shouted at, sure. But hardly a person sitting down on the "diamond throne" of zazen.
Well, that's what I think anyway. OKAY!!!!!!!!! :wink: