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    Recommended 'at home' liturgy

    Hi,

    'Liturgy' means the many acts and rituals by which we manifest (and are manifested by) the beliefs and teachings at the heart of Buddhist Practice. Some we practice as a group together, some at private times (not two, by the way). These various practices can bring the teachings more visibly to life, and our lives into the Teachings.

    What are the some of the practices which we recommend or encourage at home and work ... our practice places in this Sangha in which all of life is the temple?

    ZAZEN

    Of course, seated Zazen is our one and only practice, for by the very nature of Shikantaza ... when sitting Zazen, there is nothing more to do, nothing more that need be done, no addition needed nor anything to take away. Zazen is complete and whole. No other place to be in all the world, no other place we must (or can) run to. Nothing lacks, all is sacred, and Zazen is the One Liturgy. It is vital to be sat by Zazen with such attitude. Thus, Zazen is sat each day as the One and Whole Practice.

    Yet ... of course ... we do rise up from the Zafu and get on with "the rest of life". Then, ANYTHING and EVERYTHIING can be encountered as Sacred, One, Whole ... as 'Zazen' ... from 'changing a baby's diaper' to 'stapling staples' at work to 'pulling weeds' in the garden ... all a SACRED RITUAL when approached as such.

    Thus, I wish to HIGHLY RECOMMEND one of the best little books on the subject of 'liturgy' in our so called 'ordinary' life at home and work ... please read it ...

    Bringing the Sacred to Life: The Daily Practice of Zen Ritual by John Daido Loori Roshi
    http://www.amazon.com/Bringing-Sacre.../dp/1590305337

    ... one of the best 'Zen Books' I have encountered in years, and very unique in its subject matter. Also, very very highly recommended for understanding the significance and origins of some of the traditional chants and practices one will encounter around Treeleaf and most other Soto Zen Sangha is ... Shohaku Okumura's "Living by Vow: A Practical Introduction to Eight Essential Zen Chants and Texts"

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...en-in-the-West

    The sacredness can be brought into everything, even the most ordinary ... even the most ordinary manifests the sacred, is sacred and 'not just ordinary'.

    Here are some other rituals that we practice in this Sangha, and that you can adapt for home. REMEMBER: We encourage folks not to be bound by tradition, or overly caught in the 'right, wrong or traditional' way to do things. Instead, please bring traditions to life in ways which express your own heart. There is no need to follow every practice or any practice (besides Zazen, of course! 8) ), and please develop those which complement your life.

    On the other hand ... neither reject practices merely because, at first glance, they seem too exotic or hard or you do not understand. I ask everyone to look and listen to this 'sit-a-long' on '(UN)TURNING JAPANESE" ...

    So, must we bow, ring bells, chant (in Japanese, no less), wear traditional robes, have Buddha Statues, burn incense? ... All that stuff besides Zazen. Are they necessary to our Practice?

    No, not at all!

    On the other hand ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/sit-a-long/w...-japanese.html
    It is also vitally important that, in undertaking any practice or ritual, we "NON-DO" the practice ... meaning that we pursue it diligently and sincerely, yet with "nothing to obtain" ... much as washing the windows carefully to remove the grime, getting the job done, all while dropping all thought of "clean and dirty" and a job to achieve. That is another subject we talk about here often.

    So, what are some other daily rituals and practices which one can NON-DO?

    KINHIN

    This is walking Zazen ... step by step, no place to get to, constantly arriving. It can be practiced any time ... between or after seated Zazen or any place ... in the slow postal line or grocery line ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...28Part-XXII%29

    HOME ALTAR

    Although our Buddhist Practice is not limited to any place, and includes the noisy and busy places as well as the quiet ... it is good to set aside a small, still, special place where we can enter the mindset of practice. For some, it need not contain more than a Zafu. Others may wish to make a small altar, featuring incense (if not allergic! ... the incense can be 'lit' invisibly, without a match too!), perhaps flowers ... and a statue of a Buddha or Bodhisattva.

    Here is a discussion and some simple instructions for making an altar at home.
    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...ll=1#post27423

    However, again, one need not be bound by rules. A simple framed picture, even a picture in your wallet which you pull out to look at, can be equal to the greatest Temple. What is more, my personal opinion is that a "Buddha Statue" is both seen and unseen ... and what is NOT a Buddha Statue? (Here's a little talk on that subject):

    http://www.treeleaf.org/sit-a-long/w...ha-statue.html

    ATTENDING OUR WEEKLY AND MONTHLY ZAZENKAI

    We have weekly and monthly Zazenkai netcasts, with lots of Zazen, Kinhin, Zazen, Chanting, Bowing, Zazen and ... Zazen ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/forum...ENKAI-NETCASTS

    Although we can all daily sit at home alone (yet still are 'all together') ... and although it may be strange to some to 'sit over the internet' ... I feel it is vitally important that we make the effort to sit together as a group. I wish that EVERYONE WOULD MAKE THE EFFORT TO JOIN IN OUR ZAZENKAI AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE (it is available 'any place any time' ... so time and place are not an excuse!)

    We also have sitting with others via Google+

    CHANTING

    At the Zazenkai, we always recite various traditional Chants ... and any of these can be undertaken at home. The Verse of Atonement and The Four Vows are especially encouraged to chant each day ... perhaps at the end of your day before bed ...

    The Heart Sutra can also be recited any time and place ... perhaps before the home altar or on the Zafu prior to Zazen.

    In reciting, we tend to just merge into the sound ... not giving it a thought. However, it is also good at other times to make study of what the chants MEAN (most of them are statements of Zen Buddhist teachings).

    Here is our Chant Book ...

    Chant Book (PDF)

    or

    Chant Book (SHORT VERSION HTML)

    Daido's book, above, suggests some other possible chantings too (Such as the powerful Verse of Kannon ... the Enmei Jukku Kannon Gyo ... ). There is also the traditional Evening Gatha ... time swiftly passes by ...

    Let me respectfully remind you,
    life and death are of supreme importance.
    Time swiftly passes by,
    and opportunity is lost.
    Let us awaken,
    awaken.
    Take heed,
    do not squander your life.


    Side Note: I love that Gatha ... so long as we each awaken to the fact that there is no "life and death" ... no me or you for the reminding ... even as time passes by, no time either ... and nothing about life that can be squandered, wasted or lost (SO DON'T KILL TIME, AND DON'T WASTE IT! :shock: )
    The Verse of the Kesa, of course, is a daily practice for those who have undertaken Jukai and received a Rakusu (Kesa). Do not place one on oneself without reciting! Taigu discusses the whole manner of wearing and treating a Rakusu here ...
    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...ll=1#post33812

    SEWING A RAKUSU (or Full Kesa) as we do for our Jukai preparations, is also a great Liturgy ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...IGU-%282011%29

    GATHA

    'Gatha' are short, meaningful little recitation which can be recited before (and/or after) many 'ordinary' daily activities to remind us how sacred they are, and how all support our life and practice ... from eating to work to going to the toilet to washing the face ... Here are some and a discussion ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/sit-a-long/w...ure-calls.html

    Each can be recited out loud or silently within.

    A very special 'Meal Gatha' might be recited by oneself or with one's family (much like 'Saying Grace') .. or during lunch breaks at work, etc (in voice or silently). Here is the one we recited during our recent 'Ango' period ...

    (Hands in Gassho) This food comes from the efforts
    of all sentient beings past and present,
    and is medicine for nourishment of our Practice-Life.
    We offer this meal of many virtues and tastes
    to the Buddha, Dharma, and Sangha,
    and to all life in every realm of existence.
    May all sentient beings in the universe
    be sufficiently nourished.


    Daido Roshi's lovely book suggested some other Meal Gatha.

    In fact ... one can make their own Gatha for ANYTHING ... which is exactly what Treeleafers did on a recent thread (thank you, Al, for that) ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...laddens+hearts.

    BOWING

    Bowing can be a wonderful daily practice of humility and gratitude ... not to a statue or necessarily anyone in particular, but to ALL OF REALITY AND EVERYONE, all supporting our life and practice.

    http://www.treeleaf.org/sit-a-long/w...---bowing.html

    Some Korean Zen (Son) groups engage in the practice of 108 Full Prostrations Daily (also ... good for those Bodhisattva 6-pack Abs 8) )

    ORYOKI

    A lovely tradition of formal meal ritual ... We may hold an online class in that in the near future ...

    METTA RECITAL

    A daily practice we strongly encourage in this Sangha is the recital of "Metta" ... Loving Kindness expressed to all living beings ... not leaving out even the one we find hard to love ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...Metta-PRACTICE

    SAMU AND DANA

    Making all our work (in the factory, office, garden, kitchen and nursery) into a daily sacred act ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...-Generosity%29

    ... as well as work and giving to help others in need ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/forum...ROJECTS-CENTER

    ...is a vital practice in this Sangha, not to be neglected.

    A TIME FOR TEXT STUDY

    Our way is said to be 'Beyond Words and Letters" ... but that does not mean that we should not also have time to crack the books!

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...-Viewing-Right

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    SO, AM I LEAVING ANYTHING OUT? Probably, but that should keep any Bodhisattva busy for awhile! 8)

    Anyway, WHAT IS -NOT- A SACRED LITURGY!?!

    I would like to close with some very wise words (thank you Cyril)

    There may be a saying and I don't know who said this but the candle that burns brightest has the shortest life. What I mean is that how I practice now is to make it part of my daily life... nothing special. If I make it special it's separate from me, and I don't think that's what this is. If I stay consistent and don't overdo it, then I'll maintain my practice. If I push too hard, I'll burn out and this will just be another phase of my life; something I tried.

    But that is not the Way at least from what I've learned. We share in a practice that's come down from generations, and so to honor it I stay consistent.

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...ll=1#post47348
    Gassho Jundo (speaking for Taigu too)
    Last edited by Jundo; 10-10-2012 at 03:05 AM.

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    Thank you!

    Deep vow....

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    This is awesome! Thank you

    Gassho,

    Cyril

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    A very welcome post given the recent discussions on liturgy. Thanks so much, Jundo!

    Btw, I wanted to mention that there is a newer version of this book, under a slightly different name that is still in publication. At least, the table of contents looks the same.

    http://www.amazon.com/Bringing-Sacred-L ... 459&sr=8-1

    Cheers,
    Matt

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    Thanks for the heads up! Bought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matto
    A very welcome post given the recent discussions on liturgy. Thanks so much, Jundo!

    Btw, I wanted to mention that there is a newer version of this book, under a slightly different name that is still in publication. At least, the table of contents looks the same.

    http://www.amazon.com/Bringing-Sacred-L ... 459&sr=8-1

    Cheers,
    Matt
    That's it, the one I have. I really like it and highly recommend it

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    Thank you Jundo for this 'zen Life in a nutshell'. It's good to be reminded of how we can all enhance our practice.

    gassho,

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    Wonderful! Thanks Jundo. Just what I needed.

    And Cyril, I wish I had your insight. Thanks for speaking truth.

    gassho
    Greg

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    So little I know, looking forward to learn

    /Ola

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    In addition to all the foregoing good words and expressions, any chants or devotions which appear in Sutrayana are fair practice for one who wishes to make visible or audible that which we express in shikantaza invisibly and inaudibly; particularly in cultivating the Bodhisattva Way.
    Chanting hopes of loving-kindness for all or wishes that all sentient beings receive healing blessings to be free from suffering, illness, pain, debillitating disease or disability is all to this same purpose.
    In addition to the chants we practice in Zazenkai, I practice Medicine Buddha Mantra with many others in the World Wide Healing Circle. I'm even thinking about booking a time slot to do it in Zen Hall. While I couldn't swear that this practice makes a difference to anyone but me, I will continue to sit with confidence (faith) that it does. Much like with my vow to save all sentient beings, I will even send prayers into the unconditioned that it does. I call it "right intention".
    Gassho,
    Engyo

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    Re: RECOMMENDED 'AT HOME' LITURGY

    Thus, I wish to HIGHLY RECOMMEND one of the best little books on the subject of 'liturgy' in our so called 'ordinary' life at home and work ... please read it ...

    Bringing the Sacred to Life: The Daily Practice of Zen Ritual by John Daido Loori Roshi
    http://www.amazon.com/Bringing-Sacred-L ... 459&sr=8-1

    ... one of the best 'Zen Books' I have encountered in years, and very unique in its subject matter.
    I have been looking at this book online for a while now, wondering if I should buy it. Thank you for the heads-up.

    Seona

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seona

    I have been looking at this book online for a while now, wondering if I should buy it. Thank you for the heads-up.

    Seona
    Being a bibliophile and having a minor addiction to cheap books I bi-weekly hit up a couple of great bookstores here in Dallas (Half Price Books and Recycled Books).

    Half Price Books is nationwide and have online sales as well. I picked up Loori's book for $2.48 a couple of months ago.

    Since I haven't noticed anyone else at Treeleaf in Dallas who might beat me to the bookstore, :twisted: I thought I'd share my tip.

    Gassho,

    Shawn

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    Quote Originally Posted by shards
    Quote Originally Posted by Seona

    I have been looking at this book online for a while now, wondering if I should buy it. Thank you for the heads-up.

    Seona
    Being a bibliophile and having a minor addiction to cheap books I bi-weekly hit up a couple of great bookstores here in Dallas (Half Price Books and Recycled Books).

    Half Price Books is nationwide and have online sales as well. I picked up Loori's book for $2.48 a couple of months ago.

    Since I haven't noticed anyone else at Treeleaf in Dallas who might beat me to the bookstore, :twisted: I thought I'd share my tip.

    Gassho,

    Shawn
    Thank you, Shawn.

    I have recommended this a few times, to find inexpensive copies nationwide.

    http://www.bookfinder.com/

    However, if you have the money to buy new ... please support the poor authors and buy new.

    Gassho, J

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    Quote Originally Posted by Engyo
    ...While I couldn't swear that this practice makes a difference to anyone but me, I will continue to sit with confidence (faith) that it does.
    Don, I could swear that it IS helpfull, For you and thus for all sentinent beings. Not only because we're all one anyway, but also when we look at it in a dualistic view: everything you do to yourself will influence the way you interact with others, definitely

    Thank you for your practice
    _()_
    Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seona
    Bringing the Sacred to Life: The Daily Practice of Zen Ritual by John Daido Loori Roshi
    http://www.amazon.com/Bringing-Sacred-L ... 459&sr=8-1

    ... one of the best 'Zen Books' I have encountered in years, and very unique in its subject matter.
    I have been looking at this book online for a while now, wondering if I should buy it. Thank you for the heads-up.
    I think its a very "good" book, I got it (due to recommendation here) and its not at all disappointing, its not only about home liturgy, but also sheds some light on general buddhist questions. It's rather a booklet than a book, as it also comes with introduction and appendix (like Heart Sutra, Verse of atonement etc). I'm rather not too keen of liturgy and I enjoyed it much
    _()_
    Peter

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    Jundo,

    Thank you.

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    I've enjoyed Daido Loori's book, too. He has a nice ability to meld east and west.

    Linda

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    Just to let UK people know that John Daido Loori's book is now available new from Wisdom Books (http://www.wisdom-books.com) for only 3.75 + 80p (total 4.55) whereas on Amazon it is 11.25 incl. delivery. To be fair, Amazon have got other new copies starting from 1.98 + 2.80 P + P (total 4.78) but really, for such a small book, I think 2.80 postage is ridiculous and in any case I think it's nice to support smaller business sometimes!

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    Thanks to the recommendation here, I'm just about done with John Daido Loori's book and am starting to approach the question of an at-home liturgy with greater attention. I would appreciate it if other Treeleaf members would share and discuss their own as I sort out mine.

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    Chris,
    I'm still in my "Lag" phase; I had a lag after reading about zazen up to the point to actually do it (followed by quite some lag until i did it regularly), talking about years here. Of course I'm far from being any good example here. As it seems now I'm in the next lag, between reading, understanding, advocating it and actually doing something. I much look forward to the next Ango period, as I guess it could give me the needed push to do a bit more liturgy on a day by day basis.
    _()_
    Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisA
    Thanks to the recommendation here, I'm just about done with John Daido Loori's book and am starting to approach the question of an at-home liturgy with greater attention. I would appreciate it if other Treeleaf members would share and discuss their own as I sort out mine.
    This is a great book...my @Home liturgy consists of a mix between Loori and what we do for zazenkai. I find it works well for me although I'm not sure if it's monastically/priestly sound.

    Gassho,

    Shawn

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    Thank you for this! :P

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    What are you doing with your home liturgy, ezzirah?

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    Thank you for this very clear explanation. I have been struggling in my study, but this has helped as a marker to the trailhead of the path I have been looking forward to walking. It's a joy just to have a direction to grow. This explanation was an excellent compliment to the new folks sit-a-longs. Thank you.
    Sincerely, mr.Lou

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    thX jundo

    gassho
    gilles

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    Thank you Jundo for recommending this Daido book. During the first half of the book, I was perplexed as to why you had suggested everyone should read it for liturgy purposes. However, the second half of the book was excellent at saying and describing the things that I think a lot of long-time practitioners forget to tell new people about. My favorite chapter was the explanation of how the cook is such a revered position in a monastery.

    I have one question: Why is the Emmei Jukku Kannon Gyo not recited in English as the other chants are?

    I would like to share this story as a summary of my thoughts after reading this book:
    Pablo Picasso is one of the most well known painters to have ever lived, and yet he is also one of the most misunderstood artists ever. People look at his paintings like "Dora Maar" and "Guernica" and they usually reply "I could paint that," which is meant to equate to an insult of Picasso's child-like lack of talent. What most people don't know is that Picasso was quite an accomplished painter of realistic-renditions prior to his invention of Cubism. As a matter of fact, his painting "Garcon a la Pipe" (Boy and his pipe) sold for just over $104 million, which makes it the most valuable painting ever sold at auction anywhere at any time in history. My point is that Picasso was a master of painting. He was thoroughly trained and wonderfully gifted. After dedicating his life to the deepest truest pursuit of his studies, he one day came to the end of them. It is then that he stepped away from what he had been taught into the void of what did not yet exist. It was only then that he was ready to "Burn the Buddha" by willfully deconstructing the sacredness of the image. Today, many seek to jump to the end and begin personally expressing themselves in similar fashion to the bold simplicity of Picasso's later work, but the results are lacking. To understand, one has to first learn before one can forget the learning.

    I believe this book makes the same point for Buddhists by emphasizing that a goalless practice must first begin with a goal of practicing the tradition.

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    Lou - thank you for sharing your thoughts on the Loori book. I have just read it through for the second time.

    I feel the most important statement Loori makes in his introduction is that our participation
    in Zen liturgy begins as an act of faith. If we train or 'school' ourselves it is only in order to realise
    that which is already there - the buddha within us.

    I can understand that there is the potential for 'imitation' in liturgy practice- as in artists emulating Picasso - but Loori
    underlines that 'great faith, great doubt and great determination' nurtures our practice.

    I'm not sure that we set out to 'master' Zen in the way we might set out to master a skill - in order to then 'unlearn' and leap into the void. My (limited) understanding is that we are born into the void ( nonduality and interconnectedness) - and so there is nothing to master - only a re-cognition of what is already there. Our letting go is really a return to the sacred within ourselves and the whole of life.

    I found one of the most helpful thoughts, in the book, is the idea that form (in this case rituals) is really a state of consciousness. This has become a touch stone for gauging within myself whether I'm practicing by rote - or genuinely engaging with a focused mind.

    But no doubt I often fool myself ops:

    Gassho

    Willow

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.Lou
    I have one question: Why is the Emmei Jukku Kannon Gyo not recited in English as the other chants are?

    I would like to share
    Hi Lou,

    Actually, when we recite it each year during our winter Rohatsu Retreat here at Treeleaf, we do it the way I was shown by my friend and mentor Doshin Cantor of the White Plum ... starting slowly in Japanese, slowly building speed with each repetition, then moving to English faster and faster ...

    ... until one is literally exploding great KANZEON! and pounding the floor at the end.

    Not only does it serve to Wake Up Kannon ... but it sure gets the blood flowing, and wakes us up at about 6am during the Retreat!

    Gassho, J

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    Thank you for the suggestion, Jundo! I have both this Loori book and the smaller version - one for the "library", the other for use at the table, etc. as a "working copy." His explanations are very clear, as some of you have already commented on far better than I.

    I got my copies through Dharma Communications... I figured might as well send the money to ZMM (Zen Mountain Monastery) instead of Amazon. I try to use the site of the author/creator, if possible, instead of a chain to buy books, etc. I feel that way the money goes to a good cause!

    Gassho,

    Dennis

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    For wearing the rakusu, do we place it on our heads (hands in gassho), say the verse of the kesa, then unfold it, place it to our lips, then wear it?
    迎 Geika

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    For wearing the rakusu, do we place it on our heads (hands in gassho), say the verse of the kesa, then unfold it, place it to our lips, then wear it?
    I have always done it the way Taigu does it on one of the rakusu videos: rakusu on head, verse of the kesa (x3), unfold it, touch it to my lips saying "Buddha, Dharma, Sangha" (x3) and then touch it to my forehead (x3) before putting it on.


    Gassho,
    Dosho
    Shudo Dosho - Ordained Priest-in-Training
    With your help and guidance from Jundo & Taigu
    I am learning, but please take what I say with a
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    I hope so... That's how I've been doing it! Taigu has a video about this that Jundo posted in the main sewing thread, at the bottom after all the main sewing videos.
    Gassho, Kaishin / Matt
    Gassho,
    Kaishin

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    Thank you. I must have missed that video while sewing.
    迎 Geika

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    It's interesting to get to know what other people do.

    I think it speaks volumes to the practicality and universal nature of the Buddhadharma when so many practitioners have such a diverse array in their own personal routines.

    The Treeleaf chanting book is a great resource. Putting something like that together is a great benefit to sentient beings.

    For a while I experimented with Nichiren Buddhism in the SGI. I left after about a year because I felt discrimination based on my sexual orientation by the hierarchy of the organization. I was also turned off by people praying and chanting for material objects and greedy gain.

    I'm not saying greed or material objects are bad. Wanting them is part of human nature. Making that the focal point of one's spiritual life was not for me though.

    However I really felt a connection chanting the Lotus Sutra in Japanese. That always felt enlightening to me.

    So today before I sit I chant (in Japanese):

    Refuge in the 3 treasures
    Repentance
    4 vows
    Incense offering prayers
    Robe chant
    Sutra opening verse
    Heart Sutra

    Sitting for at least 30 mins

    Dedication of merit

    Maybe it's a past life thing but I feel a deep affinity for the Japanese chanting. While I chant I keep the english meaning and intentions firmly in my mind.

    Also, Japanese is incredibly easy to chant & pronounce.

    I find it centering & my own little way to prep for sitting zazen.

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    I'm curious what others think of mixing sitting with a physical practice like yoga or martial arts? I know that's not traditional but I have found that doing a short yoga or qigong type workout before sitting really helps me feel more centered for doing sitting. Even just physically it helps to feel more limber and for my body not to ache quite as much (especially my knees) and so I can sit longer. I know that's not traditional though so I was wondering if others think it's better to separate the two, only focus on one type of training at a time, or if it's ok to do it together and use it all as one long routine?

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    Hi, and welcome again.

    I find no conflict at all, and there can be a time for each. Yoga in its time , Zazen in Zazen time. Many Retreats now include a Yoga time during the long days of sitting to loosen and stretch. Many martial arts classes start or end with a bit of Zazen.

    Gassho, J
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    Thank you, although it feels right and beneficial, it's good to get some confirmation. On a related but possibly more controversial note, do you think there's any value in mixing mediation practices? Say beginning one sitting session with Vipassana or concentration on the Jhannas, and then doing a second final session of Shikantaza practice?

    -Chris

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    That is not how we Practice here, so I would say no. I will explain why I am stubborn about such things.

    Although the other ways are beautiful ways perhaps, when one truly pierces sitting Shikantaza, such Practices are not helpful or necessary. Shikantaza is a radical rejection of all chasing after extra-ordinary mental states (although we sometimes encounter such too in Shikantaza), thereby to discover the most miraculous-ordinary-extra-ordinary that was never distant all along. If one is fully manifesting Shikantaza, the other Practices are as redundant as a human being trying to be a bird and trying to be a fish at once! One best just be Buddha all along.

    We also engage in Vipassana too, although not during Zazen ... please read here ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...ll=1#post76928

    However, our definition of Jhanna is very different from how some other schools approach ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...ll=1#post35382

    Most aspects of life are perfectly compatible with Shikantaza, but some are at cross purposes. It is like trying to prescribe pulling a tooth followed by attempting a root canal of the same bad tooth ... one or the other. It is like trying to be a vegetarian, but eating steak before every carrot.

    Now that being said, folks these days mix and match their Practices so, who knows? Doing so may be right for some.

    Gassho, Jundo
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    I do yoga every day due to a very bad back and hips. I have never considered this to be part of my Buddhist practice. However, it does calm the mind and relieves tension and stress.

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    There may be a saying and I don't know who said this but the candle that burns brightest has the shortest life. What I mean is that how I practice now is to make it part of my daily life... nothing special. If I make it special it's separate from me, and I don't think that's what this is. If I stay consistent and don't overdo it, then I'll maintain my practice. If I push too hard, I'll burn out and this will just be another phase of my life; something I tried.

    But that is not the Way at least from what I've learned. We share in a practice that's come down from generations, and so to honor it I stay consistent.

    Those are very wise words. Definitely something to keep in mind with everything, not just with zazen.

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    Thank you Jundo

    This post was very informative and helped answer many questions I have about Zen Practice

    Gassho,

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    This is lovely -- a real reminder that all of of life is our temple.

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    Ah! Very nice to have these recommendations all in one place, thank you Jundo.

    Gassho,
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