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    Recommended 'at home' liturgy

    Hi,

    'Liturgy' means the many acts and rituals by which we manifest (and are manifested by) the beliefs and teachings at the heart of Buddhist Practice. Some we practice as a group together, some at private times (not two, by the way). These various practices can bring the teachings more visibly to life, and our lives into the Teachings.

    What are the some of the practices which we recommend or encourage at home and work ... our practice places in this Sangha in which all of life is the temple?

    ZAZEN

    Of course, seated Zazen is our one and only practice, for by the very nature of Shikantaza ... when sitting Zazen, there is nothing more to do, nothing more that need be done, no addition needed nor anything to take away. Zazen is complete and whole. No other place to be in all the world, no other place we must (or can) run to. Nothing lacks, all is sacred, and Zazen is the One Liturgy. It is vital to be sat by Zazen with such attitude. Thus, Zazen is sat each day as the One and Whole Practice.

    Yet ... of course ... we do rise up from the Zafu and get on with "the rest of life". Then, ANYTHING and EVERYTHIING can be encountered as Sacred, One, Whole ... as 'Zazen' ... from 'changing a baby's diaper' to 'stapling staples' at work to 'pulling weeds' in the garden ... all a SACRED RITUAL when approached as such.

    Thus, I wish to HIGHLY RECOMMEND one of the best little books on the subject of 'liturgy' in our so called 'ordinary' life at home and work ... please read it ...

    Bringing the Sacred to Life: The Daily Practice of Zen Ritual by John Daido Loori Roshi
    http://www.amazon.com/Bringing-Sacre.../dp/1590305337

    ... one of the best 'Zen Books' I have encountered in years, and very unique in its subject matter. Also, very very highly recommended for understanding the significance and origins of some of the traditional chants and practices one will encounter around Treeleaf and most other Soto Zen Sangha is ... Shohaku Okumura's "Living by Vow: A Practical Introduction to Eight Essential Zen Chants and Texts"

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...en-in-the-West

    The sacredness can be brought into everything, even the most ordinary ... even the most ordinary manifests the sacred, is sacred and 'not just ordinary'.

    Here are some other rituals that we practice in this Sangha, and that you can adapt for home. REMEMBER: We encourage folks not to be bound by tradition, or overly caught in the 'right, wrong or traditional' way to do things. Instead, please bring traditions to life in ways which express your own heart. There is no need to follow every practice or any practice (besides Zazen, of course! 8) ), and please develop those which complement your life.

    On the other hand ... neither reject practices merely because, at first glance, they seem too exotic or hard or you do not understand. I ask everyone to look and listen to this 'sit-a-long' on '(UN)TURNING JAPANESE" ...

    So, must we bow, ring bells, chant (in Japanese, no less), wear traditional robes, have Buddha Statues, burn incense? ... All that stuff besides Zazen. Are they necessary to our Practice?

    No, not at all!

    On the other hand ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/sit-a-long/w...-japanese.html
    It is also vitally important that, in undertaking any practice or ritual, we "NON-DO" the practice ... meaning that we pursue it diligently and sincerely, yet with "nothing to obtain" ... much as washing the windows carefully to remove the grime, getting the job done, all while dropping all thought of "clean and dirty" and a job to achieve. That is another subject we talk about here often.

    So, what are some other daily rituals and practices which one can NON-DO?

    KINHIN

    This is walking Zazen ... step by step, no place to get to, constantly arriving. It can be practiced any time ... between or after seated Zazen or any place ... in the slow postal line or grocery line ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...28Part-XXII%29

    HOME ALTAR

    Although our Buddhist Practice is not limited to any place, and includes the noisy and busy places as well as the quiet ... it is good to set aside a small, still, special place where we can enter the mindset of practice. For some, it need not contain more than a Zafu. Others may wish to make a small altar, featuring incense (if not allergic! ... the incense can be 'lit' invisibly, without a match too!), perhaps flowers ... and a statue of a Buddha or Bodhisattva.

    Here is a discussion and some simple instructions for making an altar at home.
    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...ll=1#post27423

    However, again, one need not be bound by rules. A simple framed picture, even a picture in your wallet which you pull out to look at, can be equal to the greatest Temple. What is more, my personal opinion is that a "Buddha Statue" is both seen and unseen ... and what is NOT a Buddha Statue? (Here's a little talk on that subject):

    http://www.treeleaf.org/sit-a-long/w...ha-statue.html

    ATTENDING OUR WEEKLY AND MONTHLY ZAZENKAI

    We have weekly and monthly Zazenkai netcasts, with lots of Zazen, Kinhin, Zazen, Chanting, Bowing, Zazen and ... Zazen ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/forum...ENKAI-NETCASTS

    Although we can all daily sit at home alone (yet still are 'all together') ... and although it may be strange to some to 'sit over the internet' ... I feel it is vitally important that we make the effort to sit together as a group. I wish that EVERYONE WOULD MAKE THE EFFORT TO JOIN IN OUR ZAZENKAI AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE (it is available 'any place any time' ... so time and place are not an excuse!)

    We also have sitting with others via Google+

    CHANTING

    At the Zazenkai, we always recite various traditional Chants ... and any of these can be undertaken at home. The Verse of Atonement and The Four Vows are especially encouraged to chant each day ... perhaps at the end of your day before bed ...

    The Heart Sutra can also be recited any time and place ... perhaps before the home altar or on the Zafu prior to Zazen.

    In reciting, we tend to just merge into the sound ... not giving it a thought. However, it is also good at other times to make study of what the chants MEAN (most of them are statements of Zen Buddhist teachings).

    Here is our Chant Book ...

    Chant Book (PDF)

    or

    Chant Book (SHORT VERSION HTML)

    Daido's book, above, suggests some other possible chantings too (Such as the powerful Verse of Kannon ... the Enmei Jukku Kannon Gyo ... ). There is also the traditional Evening Gatha ... time swiftly passes by ...

    Let me respectfully remind you,
    life and death are of supreme importance.
    Time swiftly passes by,
    and opportunity is lost.
    Let us awaken,
    awaken.
    Take heed,
    do not squander your life.


    Side Note: I love that Gatha ... so long as we each awaken to the fact that there is no "life and death" ... no me or you for the reminding ... even as time passes by, no time either ... and nothing about life that can be squandered, wasted or lost (SO DON'T KILL TIME, AND DON'T WASTE IT! :shock: )
    The Verse of the Kesa, of course, is a daily practice for those who have undertaken Jukai and received a Rakusu (Kesa). Do not place one on oneself without reciting! Taigu discusses the whole manner of wearing and treating a Rakusu here ...
    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...ll=1#post33812

    SEWING A RAKUSU (or Full Kesa) as we do for our Jukai preparations, is also a great Liturgy ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...IGU-%282011%29

    GATHA

    'Gatha' are short, meaningful little recitation which can be recited before (and/or after) many 'ordinary' daily activities to remind us how sacred they are, and how all support our life and practice ... from eating to work to going to the toilet to washing the face ... Here are some and a discussion ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/sit-a-long/w...ure-calls.html

    Each can be recited out loud or silently within.

    A very special 'Meal Gatha' might be recited by oneself or with one's family (much like 'Saying Grace') .. or during lunch breaks at work, etc (in voice or silently). Here is the one we recited during our recent 'Ango' period ...

    (Hands in Gassho) This food comes from the efforts
    of all sentient beings past and present,
    and is medicine for nourishment of our Practice-Life.
    We offer this meal of many virtues and tastes
    to the Buddha, Dharma, and Sangha,
    and to all life in every realm of existence.
    May all sentient beings in the universe
    be sufficiently nourished.


    Daido Roshi's lovely book suggested some other Meal Gatha.

    In fact ... one can make their own Gatha for ANYTHING ... which is exactly what Treeleafers did on a recent thread (thank you, Al, for that) ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...laddens+hearts.

    BOWING

    Bowing can be a wonderful daily practice of humility and gratitude ... not to a statue or necessarily anyone in particular, but to ALL OF REALITY AND EVERYONE, all supporting our life and practice.

    http://www.treeleaf.org/sit-a-long/w...---bowing.html

    Some Korean Zen (Son) groups engage in the practice of 108 Full Prostrations Daily (also ... good for those Bodhisattva 6-pack Abs 8) )

    ORYOKI

    A lovely tradition of formal meal ritual ... We may hold an online class in that in the near future ...

    METTA RECITAL

    A daily practice we strongly encourage in this Sangha is the recital of "Metta" ... Loving Kindness expressed to all living beings ... not leaving out even the one we find hard to love ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...Metta-PRACTICE

    SAMU AND DANA

    Making all our work (in the factory, office, garden, kitchen and nursery) into a daily sacred act ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...-Generosity%29

    ... as well as work and giving to help others in need ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/forum...ROJECTS-CENTER

    ...is a vital practice in this Sangha, not to be neglected.

    A TIME FOR TEXT STUDY

    Our way is said to be 'Beyond Words and Letters" ... but that does not mean that we should not also have time to crack the books!

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...-Viewing-Right

    __________________________________________________ ____________________

    __________________________________________________ ____________________

    SO, AM I LEAVING ANYTHING OUT? Probably, but that should keep any Bodhisattva busy for awhile! 8)

    Anyway, WHAT IS -NOT- A SACRED LITURGY!?!

    I would like to close with some very wise words (thank you Cyril)

    There may be a saying and I don't know who said this but the candle that burns brightest has the shortest life. What I mean is that how I practice now is to make it part of my daily life... nothing special. If I make it special it's separate from me, and I don't think that's what this is. If I stay consistent and don't overdo it, then I'll maintain my practice. If I push too hard, I'll burn out and this will just be another phase of my life; something I tried.

    But that is not the Way at least from what I've learned. We share in a practice that's come down from generations, and so to honor it I stay consistent.

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...ll=1#post47348
    Gassho Jundo (speaking for Taigu too)
    Last edited by Jundo; 10-10-2012 at 03:05 AM.

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    Thank you for the suggestion, Jundo! I have both this Loori book and the smaller version - one for the "library", the other for use at the table, etc. as a "working copy." His explanations are very clear, as some of you have already commented on far better than I.

    I got my copies through Dharma Communications... I figured might as well send the money to ZMM (Zen Mountain Monastery) instead of Amazon. I try to use the site of the author/creator, if possible, instead of a chain to buy books, etc. I feel that way the money goes to a good cause!

    Gassho,

    Dennis

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    For wearing the rakusu, do we place it on our heads (hands in gassho), say the verse of the kesa, then unfold it, place it to our lips, then wear it?
    迎 Geika

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    For wearing the rakusu, do we place it on our heads (hands in gassho), say the verse of the kesa, then unfold it, place it to our lips, then wear it?
    I have always done it the way Taigu does it on one of the rakusu videos: rakusu on head, verse of the kesa (x3), unfold it, touch it to my lips saying "Buddha, Dharma, Sangha" (x3) and then touch it to my forehead (x3) before putting it on.


    Gassho,
    Dosho
    Ordained Priest -In-Training
    Please take what I say with a grain of salt,
    especially in matters of the Dharma!

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    I hope so... That's how I've been doing it! Taigu has a video about this that Jundo posted in the main sewing thread, at the bottom after all the main sewing videos.
    Gassho, Kaishin / Matt
    Thanks,
    Kaishin (Open Heart aka Matt)

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    Thank you. I must have missed that video while sewing.
    迎 Geika

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    empty_fullness
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    It's interesting to get to know what other people do.

    I think it speaks volumes to the practicality and universal nature of the Buddhadharma when so many practitioners have such a diverse array in their own personal routines.

    The Treeleaf chanting book is a great resource. Putting something like that together is a great benefit to sentient beings.

    For a while I experimented with Nichiren Buddhism in the SGI. I left after about a year because I felt discrimination based on my sexual orientation by the hierarchy of the organization. I was also turned off by people praying and chanting for material objects and greedy gain.

    I'm not saying greed or material objects are bad. Wanting them is part of human nature. Making that the focal point of one's spiritual life was not for me though.

    However I really felt a connection chanting the Lotus Sutra in Japanese. That always felt enlightening to me.

    So today before I sit I chant (in Japanese):

    Refuge in the 3 treasures
    Repentance
    4 vows
    Incense offering prayers
    Robe chant
    Sutra opening verse
    Heart Sutra

    Sitting for at least 30 mins

    Dedication of merit

    Maybe it's a past life thing but I feel a deep affinity for the Japanese chanting. While I chant I keep the english meaning and intentions firmly in my mind.

    Also, Japanese is incredibly easy to chant & pronounce.

    I find it centering & my own little way to prep for sitting zazen.

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    I'm curious what others think of mixing sitting with a physical practice like yoga or martial arts? I know that's not traditional but I have found that doing a short yoga or qigong type workout before sitting really helps me feel more centered for doing sitting. Even just physically it helps to feel more limber and for my body not to ache quite as much (especially my knees) and so I can sit longer. I know that's not traditional though so I was wondering if others think it's better to separate the two, only focus on one type of training at a time, or if it's ok to do it together and use it all as one long routine?

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    I do yoga every day due to a very bad back and hips. I have never considered this to be part of my Buddhist practice. However, it does calm the mind and relieves tension and stress.

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    Hi, and welcome again.

    I find no conflict at all, and there can be a time for each. Yoga in its time , Zazen in Zazen time. Many Retreats now include a Yoga time during the long days of sitting to loosen and stretch. Many martial arts classes start or end with a bit of Zazen.

    Gassho, J
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

    #SAT TODAY!

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    cnol
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    Thank you, although it feels right and beneficial, it's good to get some confirmation. On a related but possibly more controversial note, do you think there's any value in mixing mediation practices? Say beginning one sitting session with Vipassana or concentration on the Jhannas, and then doing a second final session of Shikantaza practice?

    -Chris

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    That is not how we Practice here, so I would say no. I will explain why I am stubborn about such things.

    Although the other ways are beautiful ways perhaps, when one truly pierces sitting Shikantaza, such Practices are not helpful or necessary. Shikantaza is a radical rejection of all chasing after extra-ordinary mental states (although we sometimes encounter such too in Shikantaza), thereby to discover the most miraculous-ordinary-extra-ordinary that was never distant all along. If one is fully manifesting Shikantaza, the other Practices are as redundant as a human being trying to be a bird and trying to be a fish at once! One best just be Buddha all along.

    We also engage in Vipassana too, although not during Zazen ... please read here ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...ll=1#post76928

    However, our definition of Jhanna is very different from how some other schools approach ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...ll=1#post35382

    Most aspects of life are perfectly compatible with Shikantaza, but some are at cross purposes. It is like trying to prescribe pulling a tooth followed by attempting a root canal of the same bad tooth ... one or the other. It is like trying to be a vegetarian, but eating steak before every carrot.

    Now that being said, folks these days mix and match their Practices so, who knows? Doing so may be right for some.

    Gassho, Jundo
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

    #SAT TODAY!

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    There may be a saying and I don't know who said this but the candle that burns brightest has the shortest life. What I mean is that how I practice now is to make it part of my daily life... nothing special. If I make it special it's separate from me, and I don't think that's what this is. If I stay consistent and don't overdo it, then I'll maintain my practice. If I push too hard, I'll burn out and this will just be another phase of my life; something I tried.

    But that is not the Way at least from what I've learned. We share in a practice that's come down from generations, and so to honor it I stay consistent.

    Those are very wise words. Definitely something to keep in mind with everything, not just with zazen.

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    Thank you Jundo

    This post was very informative and helped answer many questions I have about Zen Practice

    Gassho,

    C

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    This is lovely -- a real reminder that all of of life is our temple.

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    Ah! Very nice to have these recommendations all in one place, thank you Jundo.

    Gassho,
    Lisa

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    How should us offer incense ritualistically? is there a proper manner?

    Why do we dedicate merits?

    Thanks friends,
    Gassho,

    Marcos (former username: mpdalles)

    ***SAttODAY***

    "Does anyone else have a question? If so, let him ask now! But
    the instant you open your mouth you’re already way off. Why is this? Don’t
    you know that Venerable Śākyamuni said, ‘Dharma is separate from words,
    because it is neither subject to causation nor dependent upon conditions’?"

    Master Linji Yixuan

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpdalles View Post
    How should us offer incense ritualistically? is there a proper manner?

    Why do we dedicate merits?

    Thanks friends,
    Hello Marcos,

    Incense is a way found in many religions to bring the olfactory senses into a sacred mood of heart. Perhaps the smoke rising also reminds us of impermanence, as the flame burns and the whisps rejoin the air.

    If you wish to light incense, I would choose a scent subtle and not too stimulating (a light sandlewood, for example, not many of the rich and flowery scents that one can find these days). Light a candle, Gassho, respectfully and with clear heart (this is vital) lift the incense stick with one hand while holding Gassho with the other, light it in the flame, gently flick to extinguish if needing to extinguish the flame at the tip (or tamp quickly with the thumb and index finger of the other hand ... do not blow like a birthday candle), place upright in the incense bowl filled with sand, Gassho again with both hands.

    Something like below is a lovely incense holder (just make sure it is stable, and the cat will not knock it over, because ... )

    That's all.

    Gassho, J

    SatToday

    Last edited by Jundo; 04-22-2015 at 08:01 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jundo View Post
    Light a candle, Gassho, respectfully and with clear heart (this is vital)
    Jundo,

    Sorry I forgot to ask it yesterday.

    Why did you say that it is vital to be with a clear heart when we're going to light a candle?

    Sometimes our hearts are not so "clear" (maybe sorrowful, or resentful), in that case should we wait a little before light the candle?

    How is that attitude of "clear heart"?

    Somehow I'm linking this to my Zazen practice, as I have an altar here at home, and everyday I'm gonna sit, I light a candle on the altar, light an incense, recite the "Three Refuges" in Pali, then I sit Zazen. That is to say, I do Zazen illuminating the room only with it's candle's light.
    Gassho,

    Marcos (former username: mpdalles)

    ***SAttODAY***

    "Does anyone else have a question? If so, let him ask now! But
    the instant you open your mouth you’re already way off. Why is this? Don’t
    you know that Venerable Śākyamuni said, ‘Dharma is separate from words,
    because it is neither subject to causation nor dependent upon conditions’?"

    Master Linji Yixuan

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpdalles View Post
    Jundo,

    Sorry I forgot to ask it yesterday.

    Why did you say that it is vital to be with a clear heart when we're going to light a candle?

    Sometimes our hearts are not so "clear" (maybe sorrowful, or resentful), in that case should we wait a little before light the candle?

    How is that attitude of "clear heart"?

    Somehow I'm linking this to my Zazen practice, as I have an altar here at home, and everyday I'm gonna sit, I light a candle on the altar, light an incense, recite the "Three Refuges" in Pali, then I sit Zazen. That is to say, I do Zazen illuminating the room only with it's candle's light.
    Well, just as with Zazen, one sits as one is. If upset, let the upset be ... if sad, let the sadness be ... if feeling off balance, let the off balance be.

    However, the point of all Practice is to realize the clarity and balance that shines forth when the mind becomes still. Silent Illumination. By all the "letting be", one allows such wild thoughts and emotions to settle down and drift away. One reaches a centered stillness.

    Thus, when lighting incense, sitting Zazen or in any aspect of Zen Practice, one can undertake each with clarity of heart.

    The point of allowing the "sorrowful, resentful" to be (and be let go) is not to keep on with the sorrow and resentment, but to attain the balanced clarity of silent illumination that shines through and clears away the sorrow, resentment etc.

    So, when lighting incense and all the rest, it is best to do so with a clear, balanced, unbound, shining heart.

    Do I explain in a clear way?

    Gassho, J

    SatToday
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

    #SAT TODAY!

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    Oh, and your other question ...

    Why do we dedicate merits?
    Traditionally, in Buddhism, it was felt that "merit" arose from good acts (such as making a donation to a Buddhist temple, translating subtitles on a Buddhist talk ) and built up in a great, cosmic "bank account" to make good Karmic effects and help cancel out bad Karma. It is an aspect of Mahayana Buddhism, and some Theravadan traditions, that developed very early (and which some other Buddhist sometimes find hard to grasp). Here is a simple and clear explanation from the Tricycle blog ...

    what you are referring to here is called ‘merit transfer’. The idea is that through your skilful conduct you build up a stock of merit - a kind of spiritual capital that is earning interest in your karmic bank account. According to many Buddhist traditions, this merit may be transferred to others, especially the dead, sick, or spiritually destitute.

    There are specific ceremonies and rituals by means of which merit is transferred. For instance, in Theravada Buddhism, a donor may give food or clothing to the monastic community and then ‘donate’ the merit gained to a departed relative (to help them in the ‘after-life’). As far as I know, there is no need for the other person to agree to receive merit.

    Some Mahayana traditions emphasise merit transfer as a means of overcoming spiritual acquisitiveness and expressing compassionate concern for others. The Bodhisattva, or ideal Buddhist, gives all his or her merit away because they want as many beings as possible to benefit from their spiritual virtue. A form of words that one might use to dedicate merit in this way is: ‘May the merit gained in my acting thus, go to the alleviation of the suffering of all beings.’
    A more scholarly treatment of the subject is here (in Theravada Buddhism):

    http://enlight.lib.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTE...IL/ew26012.htm

    Personally, I do not have much opinion on the cosmic and Karmic effects of transferring merit, except that I do believe it is fully in keeping with the Bodhisattva vows, and a wonderful attitude, to work for the benefit of others. Generally, I have avoided straight "dedication of merit" language in the "Eko" after our chants ... preferring wording such as "we dedicate or sincere efforts to" or "we dedicate our hopes and aspirations" or "our thoughts and caring". I simply am not much one for the belief that we are setting up a bank account of merit that we can transfer to others to help them in various ways, including a better rebirth.

    Of course, doing something for the benefit of others is a "cosmic effect", even if most ordinary. It is very much in the way I described the far reaching effects of "Metta" (Loving Kindness) on another thread ...

    People often ask me if I believe Metta really works and is helpful, even across great distances. Well, I say this ...

    If one is filled with anger, hate and ill will, it is easy to see how that infects the space, situations and people immediately around us who must deal with us. It can even damage folks and infect relationships with family and friends at great distances, even if we only communicate sometimes. But further, it brings a bit more ugliness and separation into this world in general, and our doing so adds just a touch more bitterness to the society we all share as residents of the world near and far. These days, a fellow who does a violent act or speaks a hurtful word in one city far away can cause ripples of violence and hurt far across the world ... just open the newspaper or internet and you will see countless examples of this spread of the effects of greed, anger and ignorance like great waves circling the world.

    So, just the same when we bring a touch of loving kindness, sympathy, well wishes, peace, charity and the like into this life.

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...l=1#post152923
    One of the little aspects about practice around Treeleaf.

    Gassho, J
    Last edited by Jundo; 04-22-2015 at 08:05 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

    #SAT TODAY!

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    Thank you, Jundo.

    _/\_
    Gassho,

    Marcos (former username: mpdalles)

    ***SAttODAY***

    "Does anyone else have a question? If so, let him ask now! But
    the instant you open your mouth you’re already way off. Why is this? Don’t
    you know that Venerable Śākyamuni said, ‘Dharma is separate from words,
    because it is neither subject to causation nor dependent upon conditions’?"

    Master Linji Yixuan

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    Thank You Jundo for the teaching and guidance on the Liturgy.
    I will order the book "Living by vow"

    Gassho
    Theophan
    Sat Today

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    Thank you very much, Jundo.

    L. _/\_

    st

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