Hello friends,

I have a question, and looking through the forums, cannot find it asked (or answered) before. If it has been, I apologize.

As I understand it, Jukai is the "conversion" ceremony (although I think that word is something like an octagonal peg in a round hole...announcement ceremony, maybe?) and Shoken is formally becoming the student of a teacher.

Are they treated as one and the same here? Or is that something that is more personal, between Taigu or Jundo and the student in question?

Thank you for your time,

Perry