Hi Everyone,

There has been a change in editorial policy over at Shambhala Sunspace which means that the "Sit-a-Long" video sittings will probably be appearing over there once every couple of weeks or so (instead of the two or three times a week until now).

That's fine, as some of their management felt that we were too much dominating the page with our thrice weekly "Sit-a-Long" Zazen posts. Taigu and I sometimes felt so too.

As well, the editors lately have expressed that they want their Sunspace page to be more "pan-Buddhist" and aimed at a general audience which is, in their words, less "Zen-specific / insidery / jargony" of any one corner of Buddhism. For example, we were sometimes told that we had to make our presentation of Koans, Shobogenzo and such "clearer ... for less-familiar readers to parse" because "less oblique = more inviting".

Hmmm.

WELL, TAIGU AND I WILL NOT DUMB DOWN OR FLUFF UP OR CASH IN OR SELL OUT OUR TALKS AND TEACHING FOR ANYONE! :twisted: When presenting Zazen ... we must present Zazen, when Dogen ... Dogen, etc.

Anyone who wants us to non-do otherwise can take a long walk off a short pier ... or 100 ft. pole!

So, we are going to move our "Sit-a-Longs" for now right here, to our Forum ... where we can say and do what we wish without editors rewriting it or changing the meaning or pulling punches, as started to happen more and more. They will appear in the "TALKS and TEACHINGS by JUNDO & TAIGU" section of this Forum:

viewforum.php?f=17

Here is the latest from Taigu (this kind of thing did not pass muster with the editors):

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2971&p=42005#p42005

Now, the editors are not to be faulted, as they are just trying to reach out to a big tent which holds all flavors of Buddhist ... from "A is for Amida to Z is for Zen" ... and I can see their point of view in needing to do that for their Sunspace webpage. I also do see that it is a very good thing to communicate with the wider Buddhist community, so every couple of weeks, if Taigu or I do have a topic to talk about which fits the "MahaSangha" viewpoint that the editors want, we will go ahead and post over there (and here too).

Gassho, Jundo

PS - In moving this thread, I deleted by accident several people comments on the above post, which I reprint here:


Re: NOTICE: Fun at Shambhala Sun
by chugai on 03 Oct 2010 06:22 pm


I wondered what was up. Glad the talks continue, thanks for all you do, both of you. ... James

chugai

Re: NOTICE: Fun at Shambhala Sun
by Peter Lin on 03 Oct 2010 07:09 pm


Good move ... for Shambhala and Treeleaf,
Gassho
Peter


Re: NOTICE: Fun at Shambhala Sun
by KvonNJ on 03 Oct 2010 09:46 pm


Jundo, correct me if I'm remembering wrong, but in the "old days" here, the "Sit-A-Longs" were posted (almost daily,) right here, and there was simply an advertizement for them in Shambhala Sun (or was it Tricycle? Or both?)
INVICTUS!
_/|_

KvonNJ

Re: NOTICE: Fun at Shambhala Sun
by zak on 03 Oct 2010 10:24 pm


Zen with editors. Seems like there should be a punch line somewhere here. Oh well, it seems the evolution of all religions eventually become bureaucratic B.S. Gassho zak ( Now one point and click)
The birds have vanished down the sky.
Now the last cloud drains away.
We sit together, the mountain and me,
until only the mountain remains.

Li Po

zak

Re: NOTICE: Fun at Shambhala Sun
by lorax on 03 Oct 2010 10:48 pm


Good that were all home back at Treeleaf! Changed, but the same, knowing that there is someone sitting with us each day.

Jim

lorax

Re: NOTICE: Fun at Shambhala Sun
by rculver on 03 Oct 2010 11:47 pm


Ok.
Shugen

rculver

Re: NOTICE: Fun at Shambhala Sun
by Jundo on 04 Oct 2010 01:10 am


KvonNJ wrote:
Jundo, correct me if I'm remembering wrong, but in the "old days" here, the "Sit-A-Longs" were posted (almost daily,) right here, and there was simply an advertizement for them in Shambhala Sun (or was it Tricycle? Or both?)



Yes, it was (a blog at blogger, then beliefnet for a year). When we moved to Shambhala Sun, we were soon told to make it 4 times a week, then recently 3 times a week. Actually, Taigu and I are now talking about whether we should keep the "3 times a week" because it allows more time for folks to sit with and digest the little talks without be overwhelmed. We are still sitting each day around this place, all together, but a talk each day is a bit too many words and not enough silence.

Gassho, Jundo

Re: NOTICE: Fun at Shambhala Sun
by murasaki on 04 Oct 2010 02:30 am


FWIW, I think it's nice to have some time in between talks for the message to gel in my head.

Thank you, Jundo and Taigo for not "selling out", and also for continuing to work with Shambhala Sun's heavy editing hand -- sharing a general view of Buddhism, however abridged (and disappointing) it may be, is still sharing, and I know you will do it thoughtfully so their readers will benefit in some way.

gassho
Julia
Skype: nenuphar_

murasaki

Re: NOTICE: Fun at Shambhala Sun
by Stephanie on 04 Oct 2010 02:37 am


I like this. Good to have a presence and reach new folks via Shambhala Sun, even better to have more freedom on Treeleaf.
My Ango Blog: http://fallangoblog2010.blogspot.com/

Stephanie

Re: NOTICE: Fun at Shambhala Sun
by Dosho on 04 Oct 2010 04:10 am


Thanks Jundo and Taigu...showing again and again why Treeleaf is my second home. I don't always agree with your decisions (although I usually do), but I don't think it can ever be said that you choose a direction lightly. As they say, keep on keeping on...

Gassh,
Dosho

Re: NOTICE: Fun at Shambhala Sun
by Jinyu on 04 Oct 2010 03:09 pm


I didn't know the editors were so directive... but I understand the desire to be open to the "MahaSangha"... still a bit sad, I think a lot of people benefit from these talks over there... maybe some of us knew about our Sangha and his teachers via these teachings...
On the other hand, having them here is just great... as it is!

Thank you both!
gassho,
Jinyu

Re: NOTICE: Fun at Shambhala Sun
by JoeTurner on 04 Oct 2010 07:38 pm


Hello,
just another example of impermanence Our gratitude for the teachings of Taigu and Jundo is just as great wherever it appears. Keep up the good work


Much in Gassho

Joe

Re: NOTICE: Fun at Shambhala Sun
by Jennifer G P on 05 Oct 2010 11:47 pm


To be honest, I'm kind of glad this happened. I never felt these talks quite fit over there at Shambhala Sun, which--like all consumer magazines--exists to sell things to as general an audience as possible. I'm not trying to be bash-y here, I do get it, but the emphasis there on selling Big Names and Expensive Retreats and Buddhist Swag . . . eh, I've said enough. Glad to see you wouldn't compromise. A lot of people on the internet would have.

Edited to add: I don't want to sound too down on Shambhala Sunspace. They have their purpose, Treeleaf has its purpose, and it sounds like the two aren't quite working out for anyone involved.

And by the way, why did Treeleaf ever leave beliefnet.com? I check out the archives from time to time. That was a nice setup.

Jennifer G P

Re: NOTICE: Fun at Shambhala Sun
by richard409 on 06 Oct 2010 01:14 am


Thanks Jundo and Taigu...

Hear, hear, I second all of the above and If there is a poll to be had, my vote goes to the "3 times a week" plan.

gassho, Richard

Re: NOTICE: Fun at Shambhala Sun
by Leffeblond on 06 Oct 2010 05:43 am


I totally agree with Murasaki and Jennifer G P .
By the way Jundo, your writing-style always makes me giggle.
Keep up the good work and we´ll all be right here, at home!

Thanks
Joyce

Re: NOTICE: Fun at Shambhala Sun
by Peter Lin on 06 Oct 2010 06:51 pm


3 times a week is enough for me, we also have the book club and the forum where Jundo and Taigu too often post, so there is plenty to make it into our hearts.

Peter Lin