looking for a specific type of robe, I've seen it both called a " Zen Yukata" or even a "lay robe" but cant seem to find anyone who actually carries a pattern ( as the prices I've seen for buying them so far are a wallet killer) . Basically it looks like a black " or dark blue" yukata, with the short sleeves " short enough so that the sleeves of the juban extend past it slightly. and has the slits under the arm pit, allowing for better movement, and to be worn " almost vest like" when arms are tied up. It does not look to be a very long one, just long enough to comfortably be worn with both the skirt, and pant style Hakama.
best references I can find for the look are theses. any help finding a pattern ( even the " traditional" name of the style) or by any luck a cheeper store version would be valued more than I can express