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  1. #51

    Re: Despair

    Quote Originally Posted by Stephanie
    I perceive a dissatisfaction with life that is fairly profound (and a bit scary).
    Couldn't the same have been said of the Buddha as well?
    True. But I think he finally had the good sense to learn when and how to stop beating himself to a pulp. I think he did come to savor the flowers.

    And, if done skillfully, I believe the Practioner is then truly self-actualized, liberated, so much more alive for doing so ... not less.

    It is not a matter of feeling "good" all the time. It is not a matter of giving up wrestling with existence or passion.

    Instead, it is a matter of being at home in one's own being. It is not tranquilizers, but tranquility amid the fire.

    The way I understand the term (also spelled Bonpu) is that a Bompu Zen practitioner simply practices to improve quality of ordinary life, as opposed to striving to resolve the matter of life and death.
    We resolve the matter of life-death quite clearly. Not all the details of course, or even most of the details (I do not know if we get free ice cream sundaes for all eternity), but the very heart of the matter ... and with real answers (not fairy tales). All that is required is a new way or two of seeing things, and of understanding who we are. At least, I think so, and Dogen and others thought so, and so that is the type of Buddhism I try to teach around here.

    Life-death = piece-o-cake. :wink: It is just a question of whether folks can get their heads around it.

    Gassho, Jundo

  2. #52
    Stephanie
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    Re: Despair

    Quote Originally Posted by Jundo
    It is not tranquilizers, but tranquility amid the fire.


    Yer killin' me over here, sensei J (in a good way).

    Quote Originally Posted by Jundo
    Life-death = piece-o-cake. :wink: It is just a question of whether folks can get their heads around it.
    Maybe I'll finally get it one of these days

  3. #53

    Re: Despair

    Stephanie wrote:
    Couldn't the same have been said of the Buddha as well?
    Yes, but he did do something about it. He did the only thing that was available to him at the time and he did it wholeheartedly for years before he found an answer he could live with. I am surprised at your frustration when the answers you receive from folks who have never seen your face or shaken your hand don't fit your expectations.

    Also, I'm no psychiatrist or psychologist so I wasn't prescribing Prozac. All I was suggesting was to talk to someone who had the ability and authority to provide whatever help might be available to you. Maybe all you need is a hug. Maybe all you need is a kick in the ass. Maybe all you need is a good movie and a cry. I have no idea. I'm just doing my best to be a bit helpful in a community of folks who should try to help each other when they can.

    You have great power because of your angst. Most people who are happy with their "small self" never even venture into discussions about the small self's relationship to the "large self." You, by virtue of being dissatisfied, are trying to rationalize these two worlds. I personally feel that this is where most of our great art, literature, and religious works come from. So, I'm not suggesting you are broken. However, many of the kind of people I just described never realize their potential on this planet because they become unbalanced and drift to the dark places that produce suicides, drug addiction, and other self-destructive behaviors. The razor's edge is to let the angst drive you to positive action.

    My words were meant to be helpful. I'm sorry if they are not clear enough or if they sound argumentative (that's not my intent).

    Bill

  4. #54

    Re: Despair

    Couldn't the same have been said of the Buddha as well? What if the Buddha had just gone and gotten some Prozac and learned to enjoy smelling the flowers?

    He didn't. He tried "doing" all sorts of things, and had finally come to the place where, desperate and ready to surrender, all he had left that he could "do" was absolutely nothing. NOTHING. So he sat his ass down, quit trying to think through it all, and in so doing learned to simply BE.
    So... maybe rethink some of what the "fanboys" have been saying, Steph... I don't think it's the oversimplified , pedantic nonsense you seemed to think it was. Yes, by all means find some help sorting things out and getting your head together. But, if you're going to use the Buddha as an example, and seek the fellowship and advice of buddhists and practitioners of the Buddha's way, then you really can't blame others for telling you to follow that example first and foremost. As Sasaki said, the only thing that fixes broken Zazen is... "More Zazen."
    All that said, I sincerely hope things look better to you and for you. Can't offer much in the way of advice, but I do offer my empathy and best thoughts.

  5. #55

    Re: Despair

    Quote Originally Posted by KvonNJ
    He tried "doing" all sorts of things, and had finally come to the place where, desperate and ready to surrender, all he had left that he could "do" was absolutely nothing. NOTHING. So he sat his ass down, quit trying to think through it all, and in so doing learned to simply BE.
    That's poetry right there my friend

  6. #56

    Re: Despair

    J
    heads around it.
    Or in it.

    Questioning and wondering is ok at the beginning, that's what brings some of us to practice, but eventually you just have to stop and get down to business.

    Gassho

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