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    After the Comma, Before the Word

    To never have lost anything, is that to never have found something?

    To never have found anything, is that never to have searched for something?

    To never have searched for anything, is that to never have wanted something?

    To never have wanted anything, is that to never have desired something?

    To never have desired anything, is that to have never lost something?

    I say that maybe the answer lies in the middle, after the commas in life, but before everything else?

    After the , before the word.

    , , , , ,

    There is no comma, which is why there is a comma.

    Now lets forget all this, lets go sit.

    ,Zazen,

    Gassho
    Bobby
    “Be humble: “In the beginner’s mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert’s mind there are few.”
    Shunryu Suzuki

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    Grammatically speaking, the comma is often indicative of a natural pause. That pause is vast emptiness. No answers. Just sit.

    Gassho,
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    Actually, the comma first came into existence as a mark of where to breathe when reading a text aloud. So each comma is a breath.

    Gassho,

    Kirk

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirkmc View Post
    Actually, the comma first came into existence as a mark of where to breathe when reading a text aloud. So each comma is a breath.

    Gassho,

    Kirk
    True. And, if I recall my history correctly, didn't it start out so that there was a system where the number and placement of marks told you how much breath you would need to read the next passage?

    emptiness and breath. That is zazen.

    gassho,
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    Reading and reading music wasn't so different then, I guess.
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    Hey Bobby,

    Nice moment.

    Thank you.


    Gassho,
    Myosha
    Practice with humility, respect all beings, avoid attachments, give rise to prajña from your own awareness, put an end to delusions - Hui-neng

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juki View Post
    Grammatically speaking, the comma is often indicative of a natural pause. That pause is vast emptiness. No answers. Just sit.

    Gassho,
    Juki

    “Be humble: “In the beginner’s mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert’s mind there are few.”
    Shunryu Suzuki

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    Very nice, Bobby!

    Gassho,
    Tim
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    Hmmm. I might put things another way ...

    To never have lost anything, can one find that which is never lost nor ever found?

    To never have found anything, beyond "losing" or "finding" do you know a finding without searchng?

    To never have searched for anything, can one discover the freedom beyond wanting what is right in hand?

    To never have wanted anything, do you know how to want and desire without want or desire?

    To never have desired anything, do you know how to find that which can never be lost nor ever found?

    The answer lies in the middle and boundless to the eight directions, beyond and right through words and punctuation, thoroughly before and after, up and down ...

    ... no subject or predicate or dependent clause.

    Gassho, J
    Last edited by Jundo; 02-21-2014 at 09:32 AM.
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    It´s the kind of speech no eye can see.
    Kabir says: Listen to the word spoken in every body.
    Gassho
    Taikyo

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    Sweet pairing of poems.

    Shinzan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juki View Post
    True. And, if I recall my history correctly, didn't it start out so that there was a system where the number and placement of marks told you how much breath you would need to read the next passage?

    emptiness and breath. That is zazen.

    gassho,
    Juki
    Hello,

    Speaking of chanting. . .. . .commas. . .breathing. Anyone know where we breath when chanting the Heart Sutra?

    It's never the same, twice. . .or maybe. . .since it's the first time. . .every time. . . .

    Yours in ignorance,


    Gassho,
    Myosha
    Practice with humility, respect all beings, avoid attachments, give rise to prajña from your own awareness, put an end to delusions - Hui-neng

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    Hi Myosha,

    We don t know when to breathe in chanting the Heart Sutra. We breathe out until we breathe in. Part of the experience of chanting is not to have it all mapped out, a bit like sitting: you never know.

    Gassho

    T.
    Taigu, teacher at Treeleaf Sangha, was born in 1964, started Zazen early and received Shukke Tokudo in 1983 at age 18 from Rev. Mokusho Zeisler of the Deshimaru Lineage. Received Dharma Transmission from Chodo Cross in 2002. Now resides in Osaka, Japan.

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    Thank you.


    Gassho,
    Myosha
    Practice with humility, respect all beings, avoid attachments, give rise to prajña from your own awareness, put an end to delusions - Hui-neng

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jundo View Post
    Hmmm. I might put things another way ...

    To never have lost anything, can one find that which is never lost nor ever found?

    To never have found anything, beyond "losing" or "finding" do you know a finding without searchng?

    To never have searched for anything, can one discover the freedom beyond wanting what is right in hand?

    To never have wanted anything, do you know how to want and desire without want or desire?

    To never have desired anything, do you know how to find that which can never be lost nor ever found?

    The answer lies in the middle and boundless to the eight directions, beyond and right through words and punctuation, thoroughly before and after, up and down ...

    ... no subject or predicate or dependent clause.

    Gassho, J
    Thank you Jundo

    Gassho
    Bobby
    “Be humble: “In the beginner’s mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert’s mind there are few.”
    Shunryu Suzuki

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