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    Brad Warner on ordination

    Some interesting thoughts on something that's been on my mind lately:

    http://hardcorezen.info/ordination-and-stuff/2437

    "People have asked what it means to be ordained as a Zen priest. The best answer I can give is I don’t know. I was ordained by Nishijima Roshi many years ago. But he never sat me down and told me what it was supposed to mean. He seemed to feel that I could work that out for myself. Whatever questions I asked him about it were met with answers from him that boiled down to, “You will figure it out.”"

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    Lovely!

    And I love Brad's Rakusus ...




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    At "Beginner's Night" meditation class recently, someone asked what rank or status was conferred by the rakuzu. I replied, "That of servant."
    May all beings everywhere plagued with sufferings of body and mind
    quickly be freed from their illnesses.
    May those frightened cease to be afraid
    and may those bound be free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piobair View Post
    At "Beginner's Night" meditation class recently, someone asked what rank or status was conferred by the rakuzu. I replied, "That of servant."

    Deep bows. I will remember this.

    Gassho

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    Excellently put, Piobair. I always say that a priest is like something for all sentient beings to walk on. No special dignity. No rank. Nothing.

    thank you for that reminder

    gassho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piobair View Post
    At "Beginner's Night" meditation class recently, someone asked what rank or status was conferred by the rakuzu. I replied, "That of servant."
    Like Dosho says, wearing a rakusu is like wearing an apron. "How can I be of service?"

    Thank you.

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    At "Beginner's Night" meditation class recently, someone asked what rank or status was conferred by the rakuzu. I replied, "That of servant."
    Really like this, Piobair.

    Excellent article by Brad too. Thank you for the share, Kirk.

    Gassho
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    Hello,

    "You will figure it out out."

    Ain't it the truth.

    Thank you.


    Gassho,
    Edward
    Practice with humility, respect all beings, avoid attachments, give rise to prajña from your own awareness, put an end to delusions - Hui-neng

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    Yes, they certainly represent Brad well.

    I was surprised that the rakusus didn't have a ring.

    Gassho,
    Dosho

    Quote Originally Posted by Jundo View Post
    Lovely!

    And I love Brad's Rakusus ...




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    "Here the way unfolds."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piobair View Post
    At "Beginner's Night" meditation class recently, someone asked what rank or status was conferred by the rakuzu. I replied, "That of servant."
    Good to be reminded of this. Thank you, Piobair.

    Thanks for the share, Kirk.

    Gassho
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    hi Dosho,

    rakusu of the nyohoe style, for lay people or priests NEVER have rings...

    And if you get your rakusu from a monk shop, it will ALWAYS have a ring.

    So ring is nothing to do with priesthood, but rather Japanese fashion.

    gassho


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    A "monk shop?" That exists?


    (Posted from my iPhone; please excuse any typos or brevity.)
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    Thank you.


    Gassho,
    Edward
    Practice with humility, respect all beings, avoid attachments, give rise to prajña from your own awareness, put an end to delusions - Hui-neng

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    Monk shops do exist. The one I visited, Matsumotoya in Kyoto, was amazing. All the textiles, gold ornaments, doodads, bells (no whistles) and very expensive okesas you can imagine. Sit down and share tea while you develop your order. Their catalog is 300 pages, color glossy, but sadly all in Japanese. Temple standards/fashion seems complicated.

    Craving arising. Heehee

    My thanks too to Piobair, for the "rakusu = servant" metaphor. I've also heard the okesa referred to as a sign that says "bring your suffering here."
    Shinzan
    Last edited by Shinzan; 01-08-2014 at 03:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinzan View Post
    Monk shops do exist. The one I visited, Matsumotoya in Kyoto, was amazing. All the textiles, gold ornaments, doodads, bells (no whistles) and very expensive okesas you can imagine. Sit down and share tea while you develop your order. Their catalog is 300 pages, color glossy, but sadly all in Japanese. Temple standards/fashion seems complicated.

    Craving arising. Heehee

    My thanks too to Piobair, for the "rakusu = servant" metaphor. I've also heard the okesa referred to as a sign that says "bring your suffering here."
    Shinzan
    Yes, it is a very interesting experience. Some of my Koromo and other items have come from Matsumotoya and other shops. First, they ask your school (Shingon, Tendai, Jodo, Nichiren, Zen ... if Zen, then Soto, Rinzai or Obaku ... if Soto, then whether Eiheiji or Sojiji Lineage, because the Sojiji and Eiheiji items are sometimes different).

    Basically, they supply everything one would need for a temple ... from gold altars and statues, to incense and robes ... and it ain't cheap! Here, for example, are a couple of their "top of the line" Rakusu ... about $400 US for each. Even simple Rakusu start around $100.

    http://www.matsumotoya.com/shop/prod...category_id=93

    I prefer our hand sewn way for sure!

    Gassho, J
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    Thank you Taigu.

    I was actually referring to that very point. I thought Brad would be the type to just send his students to the "monk shop". I was pleasantly mistaken.

    Gassho,
    Dosho

    Quote Originally Posted by Taigu View Post
    hi Dosho,

    rakusu of the nyohoe style, for lay people or priests NEVER have rings...

    And if you get your rakusu from a monk shop, it will ALWAYS have a ring.

    So ring is nothing to do with priesthood, but rather Japanese fashion.

    gassho


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    grain of salt, especially in matters of the Dharma.

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    Despite his aggressive sounding tone, Brad's actually a very traditional guy when it comes to his Zen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jundo View Post
    Lovely!

    And I love Brad's Rakusus ...




    Gassho, J
    Fantastic!
    Try not to be a jerk-- one of the Buddhas

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    Thanks for sharing Kirk!
    I had read this a couple days ago and saw the pics of the rakusu - wonderful.

    Gassho
    Shohei

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