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    The Origin of the Name "Treeleaf"

    Someone just wrote to ask me where the name "Treeleaf" came from.

    I believe (it has been awhile since I thought about it) that it was just a simple image of the tree springing out from the root, branching in all directions to individual leaves ... yet root, trunk, branches and leaves are Not Two ... all just the Tree. Because "leaf" and "tree" are one beyond one, I went with "Treeleaf" and not "Tree Leaf".

    The Sandokai (the Harmony of Relative and Absolute) which we chant each month at Zazenkai says ...

    Thus for each and every thing,
    according to the roots, the leaves spread forth.

    Trunk and branches share the essence;


    Thank you all for being an important leaf of the Tree.

    Gassho, Jundo
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    Hello Jundo,

    thank you for sharing this.

    Maybe one day this Sangha will give rise to Beeleaf and Tealeaf as well

    Gassho,

    Hans Chudo Mongen
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    Beautiful Jundo, thank you for sharing this ... I never knew the thought behind the name.

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    Thank you,


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    This is a great and complete teaching. Thank you, Jundo.

    In Spanish it would translate something like Hojárbol.

    Leaf = hoja

    Tree = árbol

    Zendo Hojárbol.

    Sounds nice

    Gassho,

    Kyonin
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    Lovely explanation! I love the Spanish version too!

    Gassho,
    Kelly/Jinmei

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    Great! Thank you Jundo. The seed of your imagination ripens.
    Gassho,
    Myozan

    PS: this is all important when we sit down to write the sangha history one day...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyonin View Post
    This is a great and complete teaching. Thank you, Jundo.

    In Spanish it would translate something like Hojárbol.

    Leaf = hoja

    Tree = árbol

    Zendo Hojárbol.

    Sounds nice

    Gassho,

    Kyonin
    Wouldn't it be Zendo Hoja de Árbol?

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    thank you for sharing, I like the name very much!

    Gassho,
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    Quote Originally Posted by chicanobudista View Post
    Wouldn't it be Zendo Hoja de Árbol?
    The tree is the leaf and the leaf is the tree, but one does not possess the other. ?De acquerdo?
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    My spanish is kind of rusty, but I figured I should throw my translation into the mix:

    Zendo de las hojas de los arboles y los arboles de hoja. Un lugar donde los locos sempre dicen; no es uno y no es dos.

    Tambien nos gustan los queso.
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    Hello,

    the German word Baumblatt sounds rather cute to German ears.

    Gassho,

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    Love the Spanish. Love the German.

    Here's the Irish: Duillecrann.
    And, for my wife, the French: Feuilled'arbre!

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    now in my native tongue of pig latin: reetay eaflay. hahaah well it's one word so technically: reaLeaftay :P

    Seriously, that is a very cool origin story.

    Gassho,

    Risho

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    Hi.

    In swedish its trädlöv
    in phonetic its similar to treadlove or traelove..

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    φύλλo δέντρων - fyllo-dentron

    Treeleaf in Greek


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    Quote Originally Posted by chicanobudista View Post
    Wouldn't it be Zendo Hoja de Árbol?

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    That is correct! But since the original meaning implies that both tree and leaf are one, I fused both words

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    Jundo:

    How do you say Treeleaf in Japanese? Is there a kanji for that?
    Please remember I am only a priest in training. I could be wrong in everything I say. Slap me if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyonin View Post
    Jundo:

    How do you say Treeleaf in Japanese? Is there a kanji for that?
    Yes, it is Konoha Zendo. Nishijima Roshi wrote the name in Kanji for us, which is on our homepage. One point is that Nishijima Roshi may not have understood about the "Treeleaf" without a possessive, so the Japanese Kanji are Ko (Tree) "No (Possessive, similar to "de" in Spanish) and Ha (Leaf). And then I was too polite to point it out and ask him to change it. Oh well. It then occurred to me that I could simply take the "No" out of the image of his composition, and make it Koha Zendo, but do not want to change the integrity of his composition and Japanese folks tell me the sound is not so natural in Japanese. So, I leave it be ...

    ... nothing to fix, and in Emptiness, possessives are non-possessive!

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    “We do not "come into" this world; we come out of it, as leaves from a tree. As the ocean "waves," the universe "peoples." -AW
    “The snow is so beautiful, each flake lands in the same place.” - layman P'ang, 8th cen CE

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    Wonderful quote - question: AW = Andy Warhol?!?

    Really curious. Thanks for the lesson.


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    sorry Edward. Warhol's a good guess, but this one's Alan Watts.

    gassho, Robert
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    Quote Originally Posted by catfish View Post
    My spanish is kind of rusty, but I figured I should throw my translation into the mix:

    Zendo de las hojas de los arboles y los arboles de hoja. Un lugar donde los locos sempre dicen; no es uno y no es dos.

    Tambien nos gustan los queso.
    Will make a tshirt with that one
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    Quote Originally Posted by catfish View Post
    My spanish is kind of rusty, but I figured I should throw my translation into the mix:

    Zendo de las hojas de los arboles y los arboles de hoja. Un lugar donde los locos sempre dicen; no es uno y no es dos.

    Tambien nos gustan los queso.
    En enchiladas o quesadillas, siempre.

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    Thank you Jundo for this little clarification. its always nice to know the back story of things like that

    also if someone wants to know who how it would sound in Russian or Hebrew...

    Hebrew - Ale (leaf) etz (tree) it would most likely be said or written that way since it sounds more natural in Hebrew to say the leaf first, at least it does to me...
    Russian - derevnoy (it means of a tree, the word tree is just dereva, but the word used would be to describe the fact its a tree's leaf) list (leaf, could also mean a sheet, therefor the explanation on the kind of leaf. it could also mean a sheet of paper or even a metal sheet, depends on the second word).

    pretty pointless but still...

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