Hi everyone ,

Reading the Classics of Buddhism and Zen translated by Thomas Cleary many, many questions arise. Some answers probably will come in time , most of the answers maybe never will and here is one of those questions I think answering or if pointed in the right direction could help me along in practice.

Because I realize you could not have all scriptures memorized, here is a segment of the Universal Stopping and Seeing Scriptures where the Buddha mentions the Scripture on Absence of Conformation. Here is what I’m reading:

“Desire is the Path, and so are anger and folly. All Buddha’s teachings are in these three things. If people seek enlightenment apart from desire, they are as far apart from it as sky from earth. Desire is none other than enlightenment.”

And in the Pure Name Scripture it is said: One realizes the path of the Buddha’s while traveling on the false paths. All beings are the appearance of enlightenment and cannot be further attained. All beings are the attainment of nirvana and cannot be further extinguished. For the conceited, detachment from lust, anger, and folly is called liberation. For those without conceit, it is said that the essence of lust, anger and folly is itself liberation.

There is so much in this it boggles the mind. Now, I understand that seeing the veils/evils means we can see its counterparts too. No light without darkness. Cultivating this and gaining wisdom by seeing, I can grasp up to a point. In a minor question there is a passage following these however, I do not understand: “advancing into the realm of the bronze wheel ( partial realization), breaking the root of veils ( ignorance) and revealing the Buddha nature, is the stage of partial realization of reality.

Bronze wheel? Can you shed some light on this?
Partial realization of reality? You either realize or you don’t I, always thought?

My main question, is about the being on the wrong path as the way to enlightenment and letting anger, lust, greed etc. be and let it all run free, because we need these to reach enlightenment. That I do not understand.

I do see the subtle “while” in ‘One realizes the path of the Buddha’s while traveling on the false paths ’. But later it seems Buddha is encouraging the unrestrained manifestation of aspects of being human, we tend to dislike, fight against. So, we must not only accept these but also let them fully bloom? The vid. and thread about Uchiyama Roshi:Right now, right here, I live simply, points to the mistaken idea of practicing Zen as an attempt to forcefully change into something other than our real selves. Words to really chew on. But in opposite sense, letting anger, lust, desire etc. roam free to see the veils more clearly as an aspect of practice, is surely not what Buddha meant? Where and how do I miss the point?

Following this, Is Buddha saying your or my true face maybe a not so pleasant one, in popular terms? Is it possible that, if I see my true face in realization, others won’t like what comes from it? Not the soft-spoken, gentle mannered saint but quite the opposite?

I could use a few words on these points. If you tell me a toddler should not ask about tax deductions, of course I also accept that too

Gassho and always in great appreciation,