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    Realizing Wholeness

    Does anyone have a preference sitting indoors or out? I've been experimenting with my sits both indoors where I usually sit and out on my patio. It's truly wonderful experiencing the rustle of the leaves in the wind, crickets and other sounds essentially separate yet whole. I find it to be what it is without judgment, with just being in this moment, but all in all, a wonderful experience.

    Thoughts?
    Gassho,
    Onken

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    Stephanie
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    You can hear crickets and leaves rustling in the wind in NYC? Are you on Staten Island?

    And I usually sit indoors but do enjoy the opportunity to sit outdoors when I'm somewhere secluded enough. The desert is an awesome place to sit.

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    HAHAHa! It is a funny thing. Queens is a mix of city and residential. I have friends in other states that introduce me to trees when I visit.
    Gassho,
    Onken

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    Sitting is not bound by what you meet.
    We all enjoy the singing of birds, the sound of raindrops or the wind ( Dogen did too), and as you disappear in this just sitting you may just enjoy the next door television musical voice or the sweet melody of the traffic, as you totally disappear and sitting is just what it is, it does not matter. Desert or busy city centre, same.

    Gassho


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    I live in a very noisy street, so I sit with traffic noise all the time.

    Still, I get to this place where I just blend in with everything. Hard to explain.

    Gassho,

    Kyonin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taigu View Post
    Sitting is not bound by what you meet.
    We all enjoy the singing of birds, the sound of raindrops or the wind ( Dogen did too), and as you disappear in this just sitting you may just enjoy the next door television musical voice or the sweet melody of the traffic, as you totally disappear and sitting is just what it is, it does not matter. Desert or busy city centre, same.
    Thank you, Taigu.

    Gassho,

    Kyonin
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    I enjoy both and if the weather is nice I can sit on the back and hear the crickets, kids playing in the park ... laughing and enjoying the warm sun.

    Gassho
    Michael



    If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect to find it?
    ~ Dogen Zenji

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    Thank you Taigu!
    Gassho,
    Onken

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    Hello Onken,

    to truly put your butt on the cushion of placelessness will let you arrive home wherever you are. Thresholds everywhere, no locks other than the ones in your mind. Crickets and trash bins come out of the same womb.

    Gassho,

    Hans Chudo Mongen
    Chudo Mongen, Ordained Novice Priest-in-Training

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    My good old ego likes to spice up practice with a bit of outdoor sitting once in a while, letting it happen its truly nice. Its right, the location doesnt matter, so ... well, so lets sit outside from time to time.
    _()_
    Myoku

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    Here's my own take:

    Flowers and smelly garbage cans, birds tweeting and blasting motorcycles racing by, the breeze blowing and noisy tv's down the hall, green grassy fields and smoking battle fields are all the same when the mind leaves away preferences, resistance, separation ...

    This became clear for me when I first came to Japan and was sitting at several famous Zen temples, looking for the "authentic", peaceful "Zen experience". So, at Sojiji Monastery, when I used to sit there each week, it was mosquitoes and cars passing on the driveway next to the Zazen hall and (if can you believe it) a PA system that used to make loud announcements during Zazen, like "YAMAMOTO ROSHI, YOU HAVE A CALL ON LINE 2". At Taisoji temple, it was traffic sounds and the train passing every few minutes. At Nishijima Roshi's Dojo, it was the crowded children's playground right outside the open window as we sat on Saturday mornings.

    However, it is true that Zen folks have also appreciated to sit with nature, the mountains and rivers and birds. Why? Because the places of mountains, rivers, birdies and trees preach with a Buddha's Tongue, in a way often harder to hear in the bustle and responsibilities of the city. That is for sure. Rivers sing of flowing Emptiness and time, and rocks naturally sit still, mountains flow and the sky holds all effortlessly. Zen folks have always appreciated a hermit's hut in the deep hills amid green. I love sitting in the outdoors! The poet and monk Ryokan wrote ...

    Like the little stream
    Making its way
    Through the mossy crevices
    I, too, quietly
    Turn clear and transparent.


    Hanshan ...

    As for me, I delight in the every day Way
    Among mist-wrapped vines and rocky caves
    Here in the wilderness I am completely free
    With my friends, the white clouds, idling forever
    There are roads, but they do not reach the world
    Since I am mindless, who can rouse my thoughts
    On a bed of stone I sit, alone in the night
    While a round moon climbs up Cold Mountain


    So, it is good to sit among the hills and flowers and birds and brooks. They are our teachers, are just us.

    But, please, also know how to sit with the trash cans and playgrounds and PA systems and battle fields. They are our teachers, are just us too.

    Gassho, J
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jundo View Post
    Like the little stream
    Making its way
    Through the mossy crevices
    I, too, quietly
    Turn clear and transparent.
    Thank you Jundo, I really enjoyed this poem.

    And a PA system at Sojiji Monastery? Wow ... I never would have thought.

    Gassho
    Michael



    If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect to find it?
    ~ Dogen Zenji

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    Lovely post Taigu
    Humbly,
    Seiryu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taigu View Post
    Sitting is not bound by what you meet... as you totally disappear and sitting is just what it is, it does not matter.
    Thank you Taigu.
    Heisoku
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    Quiet, noisy, warm, cold, beautiful, ugly, comfortable, not so comfortable.
    To me, Zazen is practicing life. And life is never just one way.
    I used to think it had to be a certain way. And that "meditating" in a noisy enviroment was next to impossible. But I don't mind disturbances anymore. Wife opening the door, kids playing, dog demolishing the house, late news on TV, it all fits perfectly. And if you can say there are break throughs in sitting, at least for me, there have been times when they were triggered by a sudden and unexpected sound.
    I love sitting outside, just listening to the sounds of nature, but not often in the lotus position.

    Gassho,
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    In a spring outside time, flowers bloom on a withered tree;
    you ride a jade elephant backwards, chasing the winged dragon-deer;
    now as you hide far beyond innumerable peaks--
    the white moon, a cool breeze, the dawn of a fortunate day

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    This morning I sat
    With sounds of friends making love
    Dog on the mattress
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    This morning I sat
    With sounds of friends making love
    Dog on the mattress
    My oh my ...

    My dog decided to check my focus by coming over and licking my nose. Funny guy!

    Gassho
    Michael



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    Yesterday evening, my big orange tabby Watson was reclining on the pad where my cushion sets. I tried to coax him off. He just looked at like "I'm not moving anywhere!" I picked up the pad with Wats still on it, set it where I was going to meditate and he still refused to move. Finally, I tipped it so he just slid off. He meowed such a pitiful sound at the injustice of it all. I felt guilty. LOL
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    "YAMAMOTO ROSHI, YOU HAVE A CALL ON LINE 2"
    I love that

    When the oppressive heat and the scorpions go away I will do more sitting outside, but it's still not a doable thing in this weather. (Don't get me started again on the scorpions.)

    I am ok with sitting with almost any kind of noise, but I posted somewhere before that the sounds of talking on TV is just far too challenging for me. So I avoid it because it provokes too much struggle I can't drop yet. Maybe someday.

    I sat a few times at my university campus, in a pleasant little spot next to some shrubbery but still beside a lot of loud student traffic. It was fine. I'm surprised I didn't feel as self-conscious as I thought I would be. Maybe a few people stared at me but there are people doing weirder things, I'm not the worst of them.

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    I love sitting in the hustle and bustle of "Urban Life" (as much urban as you can find in Indiana). I often sit outside outside of the Kung-Fu school and wait for the teachers to open up the school. It sits on the main drag and is placed lovingly near a bunch of rough bars. I also love sitting in the park next to the stream, in my house, with the same love.

    as Jundo said "Flowers and smelly garbage cans, birds tweeting and blasting motorcycles racing by, the breeze blowing and noisy tv's down the hall, green grassy fields and smoking battle fields are all the same when the mind leaves away preferences, resistance, separation ..." but I think maybe is Loo is where I should draw the line

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