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Zazen zazen zazen, but is there a place for study and meditating on old texts? Is it meaningful to chant in a dead langauge that you don't understand?
gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi svaha.
What does repeating this chant mean to you? (not necessarily literal translation, but how do you find it adds to your practice?).
I've taken to chanting it in my mind while I run, but not for any particular reason other than I like the sound of it (or at least what I imagine the sound of it to be).
Hello Lordbd,
thank you for asking. I think there is a place for study, Jundo and Taigu emphasize what has been emphasized since centuries, and this contains zazen, zazen, zazen and study. I dont know if its meaningful to chant in whatever language, I think human beings tend to give meaning to things. When I chant it means this and that, when I sit it means something else. What does it mean to brush teeth ? I dont know, but I brush teeth, and sit, and study and chant at times. I prefer chanting in english as the words sink in and work inside this body and mind, I must admit I not like chanting in Japanese (or any language I dont speak).
Gassho
Myoku
Hello,
I trust the blessing power of Mantras to connect me with the countless lives of those who followed the path with all their heart and body. This Mantra, through being an expression of the unlimited wisdom of the Lady of unequalled and perfect Insight, the beautiful Prajnaparamita, is giving me the chance to live out and express the pointing finger that is the Prajnaparamita pool of wisdom. A life raft leading home. Without this, there would never have been a Zen lineage.
Could this be just any other sound? Maybe yes, maybe no. The fact is that this is the sound that has come to us through centuries. It takes us to the cliff and edge of our reasoning. And beyond, and beyond, if we just follow it. Trusting and giving oneself fully to the mystery of being doesn't mean one is falling for just about any superstition. Yet when you experience power, it is there...and since there is no limited and walled off "you" in all of this, you are never responsible alone for connecting to that power. Self power, other power, all collapses in the arms of the Lady.
Your intellect alone will never cut it.
Yet my opinions are like old socks, everyone's got them, most of them stink.
Gassho,
Hans Chudo Mongen
Going, going beyond
Arriving, arriving here
Always becoming
Breathing, flowing
No beginning no end
Ancient of eons
Fresh right here now
Gate gate paragate parasamgate
That is lovely, Nindo. Thank you.
Last night I chanted mantras with my children for their hamster who we were taking to the vet to be put down today as she had got so sick. Maybe the words meant something and maybe they didn't but it gave us all a chance to express what we were feeling and give voice to emotion.
Gassho
Andy
Beautiful Nindo. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nindo
Gassho
Shingen
Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nindo
Gassho
Row, row, row your boat
Gently down the stream;
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Life is but a dream.
SVAHA!!
Gassho,
Edward
I believe that most of our great Chants in the Zen World are meant to be read and understood for the Buddhist perspectives and philosophy they contain ... the Heart Sutra on Emptiness, the Identity of Relative and Absolute on, well, the identity of relativeabsolute! :) ...
http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...t-Book-is-Here
... and then they are to be Chanted by tossing all such ideas away, actually losing the "self" in each as one manifests "Emptiness" and the "Identity of Relative Absolute" in the very selfless action of Chanting and being Chanting.
There is a time for Just Sitting free of all Study, a time for Study why we are Just Sitting, a time for Sitting again manifesting Why. Zen's famous "A Way Beyond Words and Letters" meant that the monks typically had familiarity with what was written in the old Sutra books before they burned them ... and, most importantly, lived and embodied them. Zazen without some grounding in Buddhist Philosophy, perspectives (and non-perspectives) can be too formless and wander into strange directions and misunderstandings. The point of "A Special Transmission" was not too be a prisoner of words, but neither did it mean just to ignore the Teachings.
I do try to avoid Dharani and such meant as magic spells. On the other hand, I have no trouble with losing myself (and finding myself) in any catchy tune. I recently wrote something on my personal take on "hocus-pocus" Mantra and such ...
http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...l=1#post105891
... and the Heart Sutra Mantra ...
http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...l=1#post101637
One thing I have heard a lot of here in Korea is chanting in the Chinese-Korean style (I do not speak Korean). I know the text which is being chanted (this is the Diamond Sutra), but also simply flow with the power of the sound ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNz8VMYa52o
Gassho, J
Speaking of Scooby-dooby-doo, here is Frank Roshi and Ella scatting a little "Lady is a Tramp" ... also a great tune ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cs6tCkf5ok
I chant a lot in Japanese because that's the way I learned it. One sutra that i find very invigorating is The Lotus which Hans' commentaries are helping immensely toward an understanding. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r364h19dXio
gassho,
Wow Shokai you are a super fast chanter! :) I too enjoy chanting in Japanese ... I find sometimes when I chant in English it just sounds like nails on a chalkboard. [scared] But really, chanting is beautiful regardless of the language we speak. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shokai
Gassho
Shingen
As far as I know, that is the particular way of fast chanting of the American fellow on the audio ... Nikko Hansen ...
http://www.qalias.com/view_profile/Nikko/Hansen/853/0/
I believe, in Japan, the pace would typically be slower. I am not completely sure however.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCuBBmBgJQc
An amazing tongue twisting feat, to say the least.
Gassho, J
Shingen; I don't chant that fast [toomuch] but, once in a while I try to keep up with Nikko's group just to limber up. My mind won't work that fast sometimes and its good to break attachment. I also try speed typing games to get my fingers working without thinking [scared]:D (wishing I could play a musical instrument / what am i saying, I can whistle!!!)
Jundo, I like the version you posted. i can actually hear what they are chanting.
gassho
Chanting frees the mind. Gives you focus and goes beyond meaning.
It unifies you with the resonance of the universe and with the countless lives before us that have practiced the dharma.
At least that's how I see it.
Gassho,
Kyonin
At first I was really against chanting. I did not understand it, nor did I believe it was necessary. As practicing became more frequent the necessity of chanting became more and more clear. It is now something I look forward to when either sitting alone or doing the weekly/monthly zazenkai
Gassho,
James
Wonderful, I see it that way too gassho2Quote:
It (chanting) unifies you with the resonance of the universe and with the countless lives before us that have practiced the dharma.